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06-29-2010, 06:50 PM
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this is getting us nowhere. I'd like to see some concrete suggestions to fix the problem instead of endless name-calling and finger pointing. I'd make a few, but they're all pretty much moderator-oriented, which y'all have rejected out of hand. 'Cause we're all so civilized here, we don't need no stinkin' moderators.
Just in case, here are a few: 1) temp ban a few people for a short period of time to allow things to cool off 2) Actively moderate the politics thread to prevent flame wars (flame wars being defined as overt personal attacks, rather than spirited political discussion) 3) Encourage people "take the bait" when things get heated 4) turn off the quote and multi-quote function in the politics forum 5) delete offending posts or lock threads
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06-29-2010, 06:58 PM
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Why pick on the politics threads? This thread has been every bit as bad as anything I've seen in the politics forum. People can and do get nasty anywhere they feel like it.
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06-29-2010, 07:01 PM
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oh, I agree. But this thread was specifically started to address a problem with the politics and current events threads, right?
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06-29-2010, 07:54 PM
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I manage to survive in the politics forum by refraining from overt nastiness, just as you suggest. If other people want to be uncivil that is their problem. The cellar has never been censored before. Why start now? There have been plenty of free for alls here in the past. The cellar managed to survive them. If people don't care for the occasional spats here, there's lots of heavily moderated forums out there in Internet land that they can join instead. |
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06-29-2010, 07:05 PM
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The worst thing that could happen is some king of "moderated board" bullshit.
If you feel that you want a board moderated, DO NOT GO TO THAT BOARD. That is the ultimate solution...don't ruin the whole goddamn site. Same with locked threads--DO NOT READ THAT THREAD. Same with banned users--PUT THAT USER ON IGNORE. Some of us can handle ourselves just fine without a net nanny to change our diapers and put a Hello Kitty bandaid on our boo-boos.
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06-29-2010, 07:10 PM
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you can say that, but no one seems willing to back off or act in a civilized manner. It's like a bunch of two year olds running around with no supervision. After so many pages of discussion, and more and more vociferous name calling among the principals here, we are no better off, and no solution is in sight. And just saying, "we don't need no stinkin' moderators" isn't helping a whit, that I can see.
So, again, if you don't like my suggestions, fine-- come up with better ones. Concrete ones, even temporary ones. Ones that will ameliorate the problem, even a little. I wasn't insisting on them, just trying to offer some practical alternatives to this pathetic display of defensiveness, indecisiveness, and vitriol.
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06-29-2010, 07:12 PM
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My solution is do nothing. Literally. It is working for me, if it isn't working for you then you must be doing something wrong.
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06-29-2010, 08:04 PM
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The prime confusion here seems to be this: it's not about civility, and it's not about name-calling. There's been plenty of name-calling here in the past. It's about inanity. The conversations in question are so irritating to so many people not because they are negative and mean-spirited, but because they are completely inane. They go in circles and never get anywhere.
It helps if you imagine your conversation being read loudly at a party. If that would make you and your conversing partner look like a couple of single-minded dicks who are incapable of socializing, then your thread is doing the same thing. |
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06-29-2010, 08:14 PM
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I see.
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06-29-2010, 09:37 PM
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All becomes clear....
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06-29-2010, 09:56 PM
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06-29-2010, 09:39 PM
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Just to clarify, Cloud, my comment wasn't directed at you. Regardless of whether your moderation suggestions would work, I can at least appreciate that you're trying to find a solution.
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06-29-2010, 09:59 PM
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Come on, cat.
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