There are no illegal immigrants in America - Page 26

Radar · 01-08-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But wait, you claimed you are a Constitutional scholar!

And I am. But it turns out there are more than one.

Happy Monkey · 01-08-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Nothing other than proving that the clause can ONLY refer to slaves many times,

You've done nothing of the sort. All you have said is that the duty applies to slaves. But the duty only applies to imports, not migration. You haven't answered that point.

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The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Separate it out. I will assume "or" to mean A or B or both. If you disagree, eliminate choice 3.

The Migration ... of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight ...
The ... Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The Migration [and] Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Migration and/or Importation interference are prohibited, pre 1808.
Importation may be taxed.

Nothing in the wording restricts "Migration" to slaves.

Shawnee123 · 01-08-2008, 11:35 AM

I proposition that their prepositions presuppose the precedent that they have a freaking clue what they're arguing about, presumably...period.

busterb · 01-08-2008, 02:54 PM

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But it turns out there are more than one.

It appears by number of post, there's a hell of a lot more than one.

Aliantha · 01-08-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by busterb

It appears by number of post, there's a hell of a lot more than one.

Oh no, most of the time Radar has just been talking to himself.

Radar · 01-08-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Oh no, most of the time Radar has just been talking to himself.

It's ok as long as I don't answer myself.

busterb · 01-08-2008, 04:45 PM

Hey. We need to get Drax in on this shit!!!!

Aliantha · 01-08-2008, 04:52 PM

I don't think Drax cares what Radar has to say.

busterb · 01-08-2008, 04:56 PM

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It's ok as long as I don't answer myself.

And the proof is???

Radar · 01-08-2008, 05:07 PM

The proof that I don't answer myself?

Radar · 01-08-2008, 05:50 PM

Ok, let's separate it out and spell it out so you can understand it....

The movement OR importation of SLAVES that the states want to import won't be prohibited by Congress before 1808.

The word "or" doesn't play a part here. The movement (migration) or importation of slaves doesn't change the fact that they are slaves. If slave owners want to move them from one slave state to another (migration) or they want to import them from another country, they are still slaves. Migration is for the slaves that are already here, and importation is for the new slaves being brought in.

Happy Monkey · 01-08-2008, 06:00 PM

The word SLAVES plays no part here. It's not in the passage.

Radar · 01-08-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The word SLAVES plays no part here. It's not in the passage.

The word slaves does play a part. There is only one kind of person that is imported or migrated for which a duty or tax is paid for....a slave.

Deny it all you want, but that's the truth. That clause refers ONLY to slaves and to nobody else.

Happy Monkey · 01-08-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

The word slaves does play a part. There is only one kind of person that is imported or migrated for which a duty or tax is paid for....a slave.

The duty or tax does not apply to "migration". "Migration", present in the prohibition clause, is explicitly absent in the duty or tax clause.

Radar · 01-08-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The duty or tax does not apply to "migration". "Migration", present in the prohibition clause, is explicitly absent in the duty or tax clause.

The duty or tax applies to the importation of slaves. Congress must allow slave owners to import slaves, or migrate them around within the United States until 1808. Either way it only applies to slaves.

Nothing you say will change that. It only applies to slaves and nobody else. IT ONLY APPLIES TO SLAVES AND NOBODY ELSE!!!

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01-08-2008, 05:07 PM	#10
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01-08-2008, 05:50 PM	#11
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Ok, let's separate it out and spell it out so you can understand it.... The movement OR importation of SLAVES that the states want to import won't be prohibited by Congress before 1808. The word "or" doesn't play a part here. The movement (migration) or importation of slaves doesn't change the fact that they are slaves. If slave owners want to move them from one slave state to another (migration) or they want to import them from another country, they are still slaves. Migration is for the slaves that are already here, and importation is for the new slaves being brought in. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The word SLAVES plays no part here. It's not in the passage. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-08-2008, 11:35 AM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I proposition that their prepositions presuppose the precedent that they have a freaking clue what they're arguing about, presumably...period.

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