Global warming?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Russian hackers have also proved that Sarah Palin is an Islamic terrorist.

Maybe she will blow her self up in Congress so we can start over. :p

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I wouldn't be surprised by any of that.

And the moon landing were also scams. After all, wackos also proved that. Same logic also proved man is not a genetic mutation from other apes. Must be true because man could not have existed 50,000 years ago. Science also conspired to lie about that. How strange the same 'denials' also come from people who *knew* Saddam had WMDs - by ignoring facts and numbers.

[Griff]

Are you saying that we should ignore contrary evidence? True believers, like Cheney and Climate Researchers, need to stick presenting the facts.

[SamIam]

I'm fine with reliable evidence, but "Russian hackers" just don't get it for me.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by SamIam

I'm fine with reliable evidence, but "Russian hackers" just don't get it for me.

Word.

[Undertoad]

The reason the hackers hacked was because the lab didn't publish their data.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Russians forcing truthfulness and transparency. What's the world coming to?

[Undertoad]

How many horsepower does it take to maintain 50 MPH? Somewhere between two and ten horsepower.

My lawnmower's engine is like 7HP, so if I hook it up to an axle, and drive on a flat road, I can eventually do 50? Cooool

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

My lawnmower's engine is like 7HP, so if I hook it up to an axle, and drive on a flat road, I can eventually do 50? Cooool

Who said that? I did not write that. Your 7 HP engine can maintain most any car at 50 MPH. Major difference.

How did engineers in the 1950s or 60s drive a 100 MPG car? Put a lawn mower sized engine in it. Nothing new. Then many myth purveyors blamed oil companies for subverting technology rather than learn facts - how 100 MPG was done

Why do freight trains move so much tonnage so many hundred miles on only one gallon of diesel fuel? Trains even in the 1930s were using hybrid technology. Nothing new. But using it in cars 75 years later requires innovation. Innovation is what Clinton promoted in 1994. Therefore wackos know is must be a lie and must be subverted only because Clinton promoted it. Their political agenda tells them what to believe. Also explains so many who knew Saddam had WMDs and that global warming does not exist. Science be damned.

How did a 1960s car get 100 MPG? It only needs a lawn mower engine to maintain 50 MPH - assuming proper application to the loads.

Those who don't innovate simply install a 200 HP engine because energy is so ridiculously cheap - and innovation is hard.

[ZenGum]

Most of what has been (allegedly) exposed by these hackers constitutes an argument ad hominem. It doesn't really affect the argument.

There are plenty of opportunities for such attacks in the climate debate. Al Gore's movie is emotional, rhetorical, and just too damn long. Durkin's movie (The Great Global Warming Swindle) is filled with bad science, fake graphs, non-experts, and the Single-Cause fallacy (just count how many times someone says "The sun drives climate").

Stick to the evidence and reasoned argument based on it.

[Undertoad]

What if I start by going down a hill?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

What if I start by going down a hill?

Another example of adapting to a changing load. Or install an infinite ratio transmission with plenty of time to get up to speed. All is irrelevant to the point. Once up to speed, then a 100 hp engine must only output 8 or 10 horsepower (my worst cased numbers) or 2 to 4 horsepower (numbers provided by GM engineers).

How to solve global warming. Use engines that only output 5 horsepower when only 5 horsepower are required. That productively use more of every ten gallons. How to solve global warming? Do more using less energy every year. Better adjust to changing loads. Ignore lies from political extremists - such as hydrogen as a fuel. Or worshipping plug-in cars. Solutions mean innovating as Clinton promoted. Not stifling science and using lawyers to rewrite science papers as the enemies of science did.

Solution to global warming are also necessary to solve other economic, social, and health problems. Which means thinking like a moderate; not like a wacko extremist. That also means answers provided with numbers. Criticizing subjective (political) hearsay.

[Undertoad]

Well yeah sure i wasn't thinking of like 0-50 in 10.2 seconds with my lawnmower.

Y'know what's funny though. If you had like 8 actual horses, hitched up, you still couldn't go faster than one horse's power.

If I had a carriage company, I would hitch up like 16 horses. People would trust it. I would hitch them up in groups of four, so it would be 4x4 horses. You can't hook em up 2x8 because the reins would be too long. And you can't hook em up 8x2, because that would be too wide, and it would look weird.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Y'know what's funny though. If you had like 8 actual horses, hitched up, you still couldn't go faster than one horse's power.

Again - application of a changing load. A horse's legs are a one speed transmission. How fast does a 200 horsepower car go when always in first or second gear? No horse has overdrive. If properly adapted to changing loads, one horsepower could easily maintain 60 MPH.

Meanwhile, we are innovating. Nobody uses reins. Each horse is computer controlled. Move your eyes left and the horse goes in that direction. Holding reins means too much wasted energy.

[glatt]

Modified bicycles can reach highway speeds powered only by humans.