Al Franken...is this for real?

[TheMercenary]

Here is a perfect example of differences for voting rights that is a states rights issue:

State Felon Voting Laws

(as of Sep. 25, 2008)


http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewre...resourceID=286

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I know that any time someone steps in and tries to tell us that the feds should tell states how to conduct business at the state level there is a problem. No system is perfect and the one we have now works. Not perfectly but it works. There are not millions of disenfranchised voters out there. On top of that there are groups eligible to vote in some states and not so in others. That is the way it goes.

There are absolutely millions of votes not counted...most are provisions ballots and others result from the differing failure rates of various types of voting machines.

I am simply suggesting that the process be standardized....its not a fucking federal take over of elections.

HAVA was a good first step when it was enacted after the 2000 election, but doesnt go far enough to provide the greatest assurance possible that your vote will be counted with the same likelihood regardless of where you live.

Maybe we just need the "purple thumb" test that we spent $millions on to assure "free and fair" elections in Iraq.

There is the irony....we spend $millions to support democratic elections in other countries and cant maximize the effectiveness and reliability of our own disjointed system....where if you vote in a rural county with a old punch card machine, your vote has a greater likelihood of not being counted than an upscale suburb and fancy new optical scanners.

[classicman]

Look if you can't copy your name as it appears on your drivers license or ID card, you probably shouldn't vote anyway
just sayin

[TheMercenary]

If you don't have proof of ID as to who you are you should not be able to vote.

[classicman]

what if you are dead?

Never mind.

It was stupid of me to think you guys would engage in a serious discussion.

Carry on and I'll go back to my ACORN corner.

[TheMercenary]

Eh, let them vote too.

March 11, 2009
The dead vote in Harris County --UPDATED
A Harris County election official told the Senate that 24 registered voters cast ballots after their date of death, some in multiple elections.

"Several of these voters voted early and in person," said Ed Johnson, assistant director of voter registration in the Harris County tax office.

"There is voter fraud in Harris County," Johnson said. "I can't tell you how extensive it is."

Johnson said most of these voters were cleared from the rolls by 2000. He said his office every day compares obituaries with the voting lists.

Johnson said the Web site Texas Watchdog gave his office a list of 4,000 names of possible dead voters created by comparing the registration list against Social Security documents. He said they are reviewing the list.

But Johnson said Texas Watchdog gave the list to a Houston television station that found two people on the list had voted in the 2008 primary. He said the family members were upset to find their relatives' identity had been stolen.

Johnson said the cases were turned over to the district attorney's office, but there was not enough evidence to know who cast the ballots

Johnson said there was another attempt to register 121 people in 2006 at a non-existent address on Dashwood Street. He said the applications were mailed in from El Paso. The case is still under investigation.

In a third case, a college student who had a voter registration project in class in 2000 made up 61 registration applications and filed them. Johnson said she was prosecuted.

http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics...ad_vote_i.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Never mind.

It was stupid of me to think you guys would engage in a serious discussion.

Carry on and I'll go back to my ACORN corner.

Maybe you don't think it is serious when someone says we need Federal standards for how states conduct business. I do.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I'll go back to my ACORN corner.

Go back? You've been there the whole time.

What shall I say?
I believe there is voter fraud out there and I suspect ACORN is a part of it as well as other groups associated with both parties. There should be a standard policy for Federal elections and separate or equal ones for state elections.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Maybe you don't think it is serious when someone says we need Federal standards for how states conduct business. I do.

Damn...are you really that ignorant of the meaning of states rights vs the constitutional guarantee of a right to vote or just being obstinate.

We have already have federal standards...the Help America Vote Act set the latest standards and was upheld by the courts. There is no states rights issue here.

The issue is whether HAVA goes far enough to protect those constitutional rights.

Originally Posted by classicman

Go back? You've been there the whole time.

Thanks...that is a very helpful comment.

There should be a standard policy for Federal elections and separate or equal ones for state elections.

On this, we agree.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

Thanks...that is a very helpful comment.
On this, we agree.

I was only kidding ... chill

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Damn...are you really that ignorant of the meaning of states rights vs the constitutional guarantee of a right to vote or just being obstinate.

Thanks...that is a very helpful comment. Condescending prick. You sound like another narcissistic a-hole on these forums.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Thanks...that is a very helpful comment. Condescending prick. You sound like another narcissistic a-hole on these forums.

I apologize for the ignorant comment. It was uncalled for.

But damn, its impossible to have a discussion with you (on so many topics) when you choose to ignore the facts as you so often do. If you think I'm a condescending prick or a narcissistic asshole because I present facts, I can live with that. It would be helpful if you would challenge the facts I offer with other facts..and you never do.

Please...put on on ignore...you promised weeks ago!

[TheMercenary]

The states' rights concept is usually used to defend a state law that the federal government seeks to override, or to oppose a perceived violation by the federal government of the bounds of federal authority.

In this case the Federal government should not have the "authority" to tell states how to standardize who gets to vote or how those votes are counted. Pretty straight forward or was that too complicated for you?