Self Policing Militia Summons

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Flint

What do you mean Bullshit? I'm telling you what my reaction was when I read those posts.

When you say "others are held accountable" it shows where your thinking goes off track on this issue. It doesn't matter "who" you are. There are no special "cool kid" clubs. Either you are funny or you are not. This is just like in real life: there are intangible things which make something socially awkward, and knowing what these things are allows you to navigate your way through a social interaction.

We can't go around worrying about what people's reactions will be. What I was pointing out was that someone consciously decided to move the thread from being funny and lighthearted into their personal "my crybaby feelings are hurt" soapbox, and THAT is a party foul.

I guess you read it as lighthearted and funny. I did not. Sure, have whatever reaction you want. I dont' think my sense of humor is that far removed from yours. Let me recap: Spexx makes a post about a political issue. lookout makes a 'joke' and calls him Kanye. And all spexx said was "well there's some respectful discussion." An observation, for which you felt it was ok to call him a crybaby.

Where is the name calling? I would say Kanye and crybaby fit that category.

The thing is, see, this thread is about the disrespect crap in the politics forum. There are those of us who have admitted to being a part of the problem, and are trying to do better. From the self-proclaimed not even close to being part of the problem, this comment was just business as usual.

Let's face it! We all be part of the problem! The problem is it's fucking POLITICS, people.

I wanted to post about the nightmare I'm going through with my teeth, but I didn't want to be called a martyr. Some words cut right through people, for whatever reason. Maybe you're immune? I wish I were. That sentence right there was martyrish. I'm just a big fucking crybaby martyr. I'm cool with that. Now, can we all admit our faults and try to do better? I doubt it. Too many are above fault.

And I don't give a hot hoot about the cool table or the club or lack of club. I've sat at the cool table my whole life, I don't need to make up any lost time.

[Flint]

So you read one thing as funny, one as snarky, and I read them in the opposite order. That is to be expected--this is all subjective.

However, you state "others are held accountable" as the problem which absolutely indicates to me that a "cool kids club" is what you believe to be the source of the problem. How can that not be what you meant? What DID you mean when you said that?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Flint

So you read one thing as funny, one as snarky, and I read them in the opposite order. That is to be expected--this is all subjective.

However, you state "others are held accountable" as the problem which absolutely indicates that a "cool kids club" is what you believe the source of the problem is. How can that not be what you meant? What DID you mean when you said that?

I don't think it's fair to say to anyone who objects to inconsistency that the perception is (and what it implies) that that one is not part of the club and is therefore jealous or touchy on the subject.

The comment seemed to me (and no it doesn't matter WHO you are) to be The Great Snark 2010, based on what other things have transpired. I was willing to let it go until you brought in crybaby. I suppose if one of those who don't much like me decides to stab me in the eye, I should not say something like "that wasn't very nice" because it might seem as though I'm pointing out some kind of "club." Again, I dont' give a flying rat's rump about any club. If the subject of a kinder gentler cellar has arisen, then inconsistencies will surface, and people should be free to point that out. Otherwise, the way is being paved for those clubs you keep speaking of, and the stage is set for no kind of discussion at all.

[jinx]

What inconsistency Shaw? Who is held accountable for things others aren't, and how?

The comment seemed to me (and no it doesn't matter WHO you are) to be The Great Snark 2010, based on what other things have transpired.

The comment seemed to me to be consistent with the tone and content of the original post.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by jinx

What inconsistency Shaw? Who is held accountable for things others aren't, and how?



The comment seemed to me to be consistent with the tone and content of the original post.

I'm certainly not discounting your opinion here...I just don't see that at all! And I certainly don't see how the subsequent comment got the crybaby comment.

Eh, I'm the snarker and the snarkee, in turns.

But, I thought others have been unhappy with how things were going?

So, to snark or not to snark. That is the question.

I AM WOMAN. HEAR ME SNARK.

Snark-a-doodle dooooo!

(This is all meant to be humorous.)

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...918#post667918

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

And I certainly don't see how the subsequent comment got the crybaby comment.

Because, rather than keep it light and funny, somebody CHOSE to cry out "MOMMY, MOMMY, THE BULLY IS TEASING ME--SEE WHAT HE DID THERE?!" Sure sounds like a ƒucking crybaby to me. Was there some other way I could have read that?

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I'm certainly not discounting your opinion here...I just don't see that at all!

Right. We have different perceptions of the same events. Happens all the time. So I think maybe what you see as inconsistencies is really your expectation that people will respond to things according to your perception, instead of theirs. It's not that you missed the meeting where the responses were planned.

[Shawnee123]

@ jinx: sorry, just saw your post.

I think all of us should be free to call others out when they are not trying (and trying is good, ain't none of us perfect) to be part of the solution of more respectful discussion, without someone coming back and pointing at the "crybaby."

[Shawnee123]

P.S. I don't ignore UG though. He really makes me giggle.

[Flint]

Parse it however the ƒuck you want, Shaw, you, in YOUR OWN WORDS, stated that you thought the problem is of how "others are held accountable" and in saying "others" you abso-ƒucking-lutely have stated that you believe this is a problem of "groups" or "group identities" and NOT simply "inconsistencies" as you have back-peddled your position to. And HOW the ƒuck is anybody not "free" to do whatever the hell they want? Where is the Cellar police that only let certain people say certain things? Anybody at all is free to be a crybaby, I am free to call them on it, and you are free to disagree with me, and I am free to tell you to take a flying leap. There is absolute freedom and equality here. You are suggesting some kind of injustice that doesn't exist.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Flint

Parse it however the ƒuck you want, Shaw, you, in YOUR OWN WORDS, stated that you thought the problem is of how "others are held accountable" and in saying "others" you abso-ƒucking-lutely have stated that you believe this is a problem of "groups" or "group identities" and NOT simply "inconsistencies" as you have back-peddled your position to. And HOW the ƒuck is anybody not "free" to do whatever the hell they want? Where is the Cellar police that only let certain people say certain things? Anybody at all is free to be a crybaby, I am free to call them on it, and you are free to disagree with me, and I am free to tell you to take a flying leap. There is absolute freedom and equality here. You are suggesting some kind of injustice that doesn't exist.

Oh my word.

I suggest you take it up with those who are calling for change, and who keep getting mad at the politics threads. I don't care.

I don't even fucking care enough to use a fucking fucked up f.

[Pico and ME]

Shaw...ya know, if the tables had been turned on that interaction, do you suppose that Spex would have been called out for his snarky comment via this thread? I do. So I totally get your comment on inconstancies. Lookouts comment was snarky and not conducive to civil discussion. It only begged for more snarkiness.

[sexobon]

So, does this mean that we should join a Snark hunting club, that we should hunt Snark with a club; or, both?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Maybe that means somebody will finally do something constructive with that friggin' loose bowsprit, Sexobon.

Not just ". . .kept looking the opposite way/And appeared unaccountably shy."

Tangential to F, I wonder what fonts can deliver the long-S?

[Clodfobble]

The rule should be, anyone can make a snark, but no one can respond directly to a snark. Each snark must stand on its own merits, and each man has the responsibility to decide for himself whether it was funny or unwarranted. Lobbyists must remain 100 feet back from the snarking station.