Men Abortion and Choice

[DanaC]

I suspect, though I have no figures for it, that the majority of single mums are not single mums because they chose that path. However, the fact that it is socially acceptable for women to bring up a child alone does somewhat free women from the constraints of living in a world where they will have moral opprobrium heaped upon them if they happen to get unlucky in bed. The fact that a small minority of women actually choose not to co-parent doesn't outweigh that for me.

I will admit, that a few years ago when I was giving serious consideration to whether or not I want children at some point, I did think that I would only really want to do that if I could be a single parent. Why? Because most men I know, whilst lovely and reasonable much of the time, have a tendency to be a little overbearing at times. What is vocalised as a fifty-fifty decision making process, for instance, actually means he gets final veto ( a little like rk's view on abortion). I had a hard enough time not physically killing my ex when we were rearing a puppy. If there had been a child in the mix I would be in jail by now :P

[yesman065]

I never said a majority - I certainly don't think its anywhere near that. I'm sorry - I was just trying to interpret what I thought he was saying. I can think of a couple examples though - One was a local newswoman who wanted a child and she got artificially insemenated. Can't think of her name though - Lisa something - maybe? whatever.

[Cicero]

Yesman-I was talking to the person that said "Complete Cultures of Women". I know what he meant...I don't need it explained. I think he just needed a reminder of how things got to be that way.

And what Dana is saying is the reason I am never going to have children with my husband. God love 'im. The second he talked to me that way in front of my kid.......well, it just wouldn't work out lets say....
But we didn't marry with kids in mind anyway. I don't mind not having one at all. I chose my husband....for good and bad. But lets face it...the great man that he is....he's just not cut out for it and he's not any less of a person for that. We just have a real view of our limitations. I would be too protective and could see myself pouncing on him like an enraged tiger. Not good. And he would try to constantly act as if I was stupid and his word was golden.....and he mentioned the other night in our conversation about it that his controlling behaviors would just get worse. And I believe him. Nothing wrong with not being cut out for being a parent. We may be cut out for fine genetic reproductions...but not parents. We are being realisitic. We think we would have a fine kid...it's just sad that we both have personality issues resulting from our family environments that would screw up everything and quickly. I think we are better people for not trusting each other to do this and not do it with each other. Maybe I could do it if I married someone who didn't act like twat sometimes...but I didn't. I don't even want one that bad..If I did we would be getting a divorce. But I chose that peckerhead first.

The ideal situation would be for us both to change and have a kid.....but lets see the reality of that actually happening?

There are real reasons some women don't want a guy around and some guys if they are honest, like my husband can say, "hey I am awesome", but I might be a terrible father......but most women never got the choice.

[Griff]

How about everybody keeping a contract in their wallet vis a vis parental rights. Have the bartender witness it and you're good to go.

Originally Posted by DanaC
Having an abortion is not being unaccountable for your actions. Having an abortion is a scary thing that some women choose to do for their own reasons. You want to be allowed to have a say over what happens to any foetus springing from your sperm, don't put it inside a woman who hasn't said she wants your baby.

I agree. People should discuss what could happen before sex. But, once you do, you own those actions.
I was one of the few young men that did not just sleep with anyone. I never got it.

[Cicero]

Hey look...I'm holding back for once. I hope I've made someone here proud today. Look....I did not vomit a fact, anecdote, or slew of curse words.
I really do think you guys are helping with some ordinary knee-jerk reactions.
I even have the time right now to write a very long response to each of you. Wow. Just wow.
Ok now back to what you were doing.

[DanaC]

Seems like they get screwed all the way around.

and not in a good way....

[9th Engineer]

Um, Spex, I wasn't being sarcastic...

[Cicero]

Copy and Paste. usarmydoctor

www.m-w.com
account
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French acunter, from a- (from Latin ad-) + cunter to count
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1: to think of as : consider <accounts himself lucky>
2: to probe into : analyze
intransitive verb
1: to furnish a justifying analysis or explanation —used with for<couldn't account for the loss>
2 a: to be the sole or primary factor —used with for<the pitcher accounted for all three putouts> b: to bring about the capture, death, or destruction of something —used with for<accounted for two rabbits>

So - intransitive verb 2b: used with for <accounted for my baby>

I believe the unborn child is the one being held accountable...

I cannot seem to find just the right Smilie or icon to put at the end of this post. Do they make an animated one that shows a smiling face (you pick your favorite color) that is sucked apart by a little vacuum? Or one that is ripped to pieces by a surgical instrument? Or perhaps one that dies from poisoning?

Oh well -- I will settle for this one: .



Do you also believe women should seek legal consent from the father to have abortions?

Do you also believe women should seek legal consent from the father to have abortions?

Tailposting is rude.

[DanaC]

What is tail posting again? I know someone told me once, but I forget.

[Cicero]

Let me spell this out for you. I invited him here from the talent/curse thread to discuss this topic on an apropriate thread. Don't tell me I'm rude.

You're rude.


I wasn't even talking to you.

But now I am:

Define tailposting. Then prove that that is what I'm doing.

Posting at the end of a thread without reading it, usually covering a topic previously exhausted in stated thread at-length.

[lumberjim]

do you have one of those for 'straw man'?

Originally Posted by lumberjim

do you have one of those for 'straw man'?

I should make one, and for ad homonym (sp?)