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08-24-2011, 07:03 PM | #33 |
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The "fracking industry" seems to be having a field day in the countryside of eastern Pennsylvania.
Obviously, living in Oregon I don't have a personal stake in this issue, but we have seen the long, very long, term effects of industrial mining on water resources. Once water supplies are contaminated, the costs of reclaiming is too high and the land is abandoned. This article speaks to the small number of people in the areas who get jobs, and actually $ from the industry. NY Times By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE Published: October 14, 2011 Gas Boom Aids Pennsylvania, but Some Worry Over the Risk Quote:
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10-16-2011, 06:23 AM | #35 |
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According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Susquehanna County is in the middle 20% of the country for household income and our unemployment rate was 7.5% in August. It was a lot poorer when I was a kid.
I would also assume gas dollars are spread widely as virtually every landowner in the county who wanted to sign a lease did. Landmen screwed a bunch of people early on, underpaying for lease rights, but the real money for landowners is in royalties. The minimum royalty in PA is 12.5%. To preserve its rural character, Susquehanna County has a minimum lot size of 10 acres, which was implemented years ago when dairy farms were being broken up due to retirements and the milk price collapse. I assume any land, presently in a gas unit, purchased from that time on is large enough to produce significant income. Our county has long been dependent on folks working outside its borders so I'm glad to see local truckers and heavy equipment operators working locally. I'm concerned about the impact on our water, but fracking technique has improved since 1982 and so far as I've seen the mistakes made around here have been more in the handling of the bulk materials not so much in the drilling process itself. We should be taxing these guys at a rate high enough to cover regulatory oversight. The road issue is interesting because a lot of dirt roads have been improved by the drilling companies so they can access remote properties, but that should probably be formalized as well.
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I understand the whole "jobs" thing,
and the "dependence on foreign oil" thing. My problem with fracking can be put in a nutshell: Quote:
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Xxxx the FRACKING DRILLING COMPANIES .....FRACKING COMPANIES SUCK GAS ..........SHUT UP and EAT YOUR FRACKING SOUP Unfortunately, there are other issues with such mining, but that's for another day. |
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A big Pandora's box has been opened for those
who have "fracking-leased" their property within the area of the Marcellus shale. NY Times By IAN URBINA Published: October 19, 2011 Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts With Mortgages Quote:
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10-23-2011, 10:53 AM | #39 |
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Pretty good Q and A this morning on Capitol Connection.
The industry has a new site that is supposed to allow you to track the chemicals which were used in each well, but I don't see any useful information yet. Fracktrack.org
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It was frustrating to listen, yet not be able to either disagree or ask a (pointed) question. Likewise it's ironic (but predictable) that Dr. Conrad relies so heavily on "regulators" to prevent or control issues, but the industry is pushing for less regulation. My ultimate question would be... regardless how it happens or who is at fault, what will the (fracking) industry do if/when ground water actually is contaminated ? Conrad's thesis that State agencies (regulators) have now or will have the where-with-all to "visit a site, diagnose the problem and fix it" was truly disingenuous. . |
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Cooperstown is talking about fracking... and not just the Baseball Hall of Fame
Mother Nature Network Baseball Hall of Fame blacklists fracking Quote:
Cooperstown Brewer Fights N.Y. Fracking Sought by EOG Resources The Daily Star Trustees: Fracking may leave Cooperstown in 'permanent recession' NY Times Issue of drilling turns personal, nasty in village. |
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Bloomberg News
Brian Swint, ©2011 Wednesday, November 2, 2011 Gas Fracking Probably Caused Blackpool Earthquakes in U.K. Quote:
IIRC back in the 50's, liquid wastes pumped into the old wells lead to earthquakes near Denver. About the same time, new dams and lakes in the West were shown (statistically) to be sources of earthquakes. |
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11-04-2011, 07:20 PM | #45 |
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Any large change to the weight on a patch of earth will lead to earthquakes. The (more-or-less solid) crust floats on the (viscous liquid) mantle, and if you build up weight at one point, the crust gradually sinks. This happens a lot at the end of ice ages when the ice caps melt. China's three Gorges Dam has earthquakes every year as it fills and empties. Any large structure causes this.
Good news? These are tiny earthquakes. The only quakes to worry about are continental plate boundaries shifting. The contamination of ground water, long term, over a wide area, is a very real concern. How about a ten-year moratorium on new fracking to let us assess the consequences of the fracking done so far? And if it turns out that groundwater is not getting contaminated, we can do more fracking.
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