Pink triangles and barbed wire - Page 3

Elspode · 03-17-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

LOVE one another! (snip!) your stupidity is astounding.

Trilby · 03-17-2006, 02:51 PM

wolf! some things are genetic!

Trilby · 03-17-2006, 03:14 PM

I have SOOOO sucked it up. Tell me where I've gone wrong.

Elspode · 03-17-2006, 03:16 PM

I don't know you well enough to know that you *have* gone wrong. From what you've told us here, you admit to having made some serious relationship and career mistakes, and you are now attempting to be self-sufficient and improve your lot in life through education and the making of better decisions.

That doesn't sound like a victim mentality to me. Or did I miss something?

You're a witch last time I checked, Bri. You know the relationship between magick and personal responsibility. Sounds to me like you're doing your best to put that into play and live by those precepts. Keep it up.

Happy Monkey · 03-17-2006, 03:56 PM

Like I said, you could say the same about the Civil Rights movement. It was of much less urgency and injustice than the holocaust, but it was still happening and worth fighting. And just like your listing of "can't get insurance", I can diminish the Civil Rights movement to "have to use a different bathroom". But it was and is much more than that in both cases.

wolf · 03-18-2006, 01:08 AM

"Affirmative action" needs to be rolled back.

You can't have true equality without a level playing field.

Affirmative action sets under-educated, but over-promoted minorities up for failure. [url=http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ewp_03.htm]only 51% of black students graduate high school, compared to 72% of whites, and only 20% of black students are judged to be "college ready."

Relaxed admissions standards do not help these students, as they are expected to work at the same level as their classmates who did meet admission standards for entry.

I do think that expectation plays a large part in performance. If you expect more, you get more. Expect little or nothing, and you'll get that too.

slang · 03-18-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

......"Affirmative action" needs to be rolled back.....

And here I though **I** was opening a can of worms in this thread!

xoxoxoBruce · 03-18-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

snip~Relaxed admissions standards do not help these students, as they are expected to work at the same level as their classmates who did meet admission standards for entry.

But sometimes they are not expected to work at the same level. Tailored classes and tailored jobs to meet government mandates or public appearances, piss me off. It's such a waste resources and a disservice to individuals who could do better and educators / stockholders that deserve better.

Urbane Guerrilla · 03-18-2006, 02:19 AM

I guess it falls to me to state the crushingly obvious: affirmative action has the systemic problem that synthetic discrimination is no more attractive than the organic variety.

Clodfobble · 03-18-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Relaxed admissions standards do not help these students, as they are expected to work at the same level as their classmates who did meet admission standards for entry... If you expect more, you get more. Expect little or nothing, and you'll get that too.

Don't get me wrong, I agree 100% with you on affirmative action. But aren't these two sentences completely contradictory?

wolf · 03-18-2006, 01:06 PM

Not when I wrote it at 3am or so ...

Education has been dumbed down in the U.S. to the point where college students are barely acheiving on a high school level, and high schoolers, well, let me just leave it at it's just frightening.

Most people here are probably dealing with reasonably bright people on a daily basis. By preference we do tend to stratify based on intelligence when we choose people we like to hang out with and talk to. If you are working in any type of business or industry, with the exception of the boss' nephew, everybody in your area/department is probably within a couple of points of you in terms of ability and overall sharpness.

When you have to interact with people outside of that, it gets scary.

Actually, the scariest ones are elementary school teachers. Our best and brightest are not in education, not by a long shot. And that is where they are needed most.

richlevy · 03-18-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Actually, the scariest ones are elementary school teachers. Our best and brightest are not in education, not by a long shot. And that is where they are needed most.

I agree with you there. I also believe that most of the worst schools are concentrated in areas with minorities.

The administrations answer to this is 'no child left behind', which works on paper but is tremendously underfunded.

Of course, tying this back to the original topic are attempts to remove qualified gay teachers from schools, showing that fear and bigotry can override common sense.

Urbane Guerrilla · 03-18-2006, 11:04 PM

Common sense and education often get forcibly decoupled by unwise policies, and have been for many decades: recall Mark Twain's comment about school boards.

03-17-2006, 02:51 PM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	wolf! some things are genetic! __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-17-2006, 03:14 PM	#3
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I have SOOOO sucked it up. Tell me where I've gone wrong. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-17-2006, 03:16 PM	#4
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I don't know you well enough to know that you have gone wrong. From what you've told us here, you admit to having made some serious relationship and career mistakes, and you are now attempting to be self-sufficient and improve your lot in life through education and the making of better decisions. That doesn't sound like a victim mentality to me. Or did I miss something? You're a witch last time I checked, Bri. You know the relationship between magick and personal responsibility. Sounds to me like you're doing your best to put that into play and live by those precepts. Keep it up. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

03-17-2006, 03:56 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Like I said, you could say the same about the Civil Rights movement. It was of much less urgency and injustice than the holocaust, but it was still happening and worth fighting. And just like your listing of "can't get insurance", I can diminish the Civil Rights movement to "have to use a different bathroom". But it was and is much more than that in both cases. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-18-2006, 01:08 AM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	"Affirmative action" needs to be rolled back. You can't have true equality without a level playing field. Affirmative action sets under-educated, but over-promoted minorities up for failure. [url=http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ewp_03.htm]only 51% of black students graduate high school, compared to 72% of whites, and only 20% of black students are judged to be "college ready." Relaxed admissions standards do not help these students, as they are expected to work at the same level as their classmates who did meet admission standards for entry. I do think that expectation plays a large part in performance. If you expect more, you get more. Expect little or nothing, and you'll get that too. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2006, 02:19 AM	#9
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I guess it falls to me to state the crushingly obvious: affirmative action has the systemic problem that synthetic discrimination is no more attractive than the organic variety. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

03-18-2006, 01:06 PM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Not when I wrote it at 3am or so ... Education has been dumbed down in the U.S. to the point where college students are barely acheiving on a high school level, and high schoolers, well, let me just leave it at it's just frightening. Most people here are probably dealing with reasonably bright people on a daily basis. By preference we do tend to stratify based on intelligence when we choose people we like to hang out with and talk to. If you are working in any type of business or industry, with the exception of the boss' nephew, everybody in your area/department is probably within a couple of points of you in terms of ability and overall sharpness. When you have to interact with people outside of that, it gets scary. Actually, the scariest ones are elementary school teachers. Our best and brightest are not in education, not by a long shot. And that is where they are needed most. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2006, 11:04 PM	#13
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Common sense and education often get forcibly decoupled by unwise policies, and have been for many decades: recall Mark Twain's comment about school boards. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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