Talk about the Marichiko ban here

[Elspode]

LJ, I am most definitely *not* aligning myself against you in any way. You know your proclivities and you freely acknowledge them. I am also not seeking any free passes or otherwise looking for positive jerking off.

All I'm attempting to communicate is this: Perhaps Mari has issues, but demonizing her because her issues are *obvious*, instead of well-couched, seems to me to be a bit unfair.

I *know* from poor. I know that it is possible for a person on a limited income to be shit poor, yet be able to indulge themselves on occasion (my son buys a couple of DVD's a month and drinks Pepsi one-liters very freely, but he's on Social Security Disability and receives food stamps...shall we have him investigated?)

One of the hardest things to do in this country is to get on Social Security Disability in the first place. If Mari is on it, it isn't because she's scamming the system. She's on it because she went through a process...a very goddamn strenuous process, satisfying numerous criteria, visiting multiple physicians who evaluated her and signed off on the paperwork. *I've* put my son through this process, and it was a motherfucker. I'm guessing that you haven't had to do this for someone, let alone someone you love. It sucks.

If you're going to criticize Mari for buying premium cigs while on disability, then you need to toss a stone at my kid for his profligacy in the DVD section.

All of this is probably moot, though, as I don't think you buy the notion of her being disabled in the first place, so anything else that follows is a waste of breath.

I would only ask that you put yourself in the place of someone who *does* have a disability, in particular, a cognitive disability, which can be insidious and not altogether obvious at first blush - especially in an online situation.

And, just so I'm not seeming to be altogether biased...Mari could also shoot herself in the feet a bit less from time to time.

[SteveBsjb]

I have too short a memory to sustain anonymous feuds online.

[lumberjim]

$10 says she comes back in a new incarnation from a new IP after her move.

[Undertoad]

Funner not to ban, Steve, of course, I agree 100%.

Until you are the subject of personal threats. That's not fun at all. I don't play that shit.

Neither do you - your reaction is to stop posting personal information. That's your prerog, but IMO people need to be free to post whatever they like. Without thinking it's gonna come back and bite them in the ass or something.

[lumberjim]

UT, what was the threat? I think i missed it? she dared you to ban her, but i don't see a threat. she threatened me personally once via pm, though. i'll see if i can find it.

[Undertoad]

"ban me so I won't bring up any more uncomfortable things for you", when the opener was illegal matters to start. I don't think she has anything on me and was not that uncomfortable to begin with. But I will not take that kind of threat lightly against myself or anyone else. That shit simply doesn't fly.

Y'all shoulda seen the personal anonymous threats directed against a known Cellarite here a few weeks ago. Turned me pale. Included shots of someone who was beaten up. You didn't see them because I deleted them. More fun NOT to delete them? Shyeah, I GUESS.

[Elspode]

Mari posted photos of a beating in order to threaten someone here on The Cellar? Yow. If true, that would certainly change my point of view.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

"ban me so I won't bring up any more uncomfortable things for you", when the opener was illegal matters to start. I don't think she has anything on me and was not that uncomfortable to begin with. But I will not take that kind of threat lightly against myself or anyone else. That shit simply doesn't fly.

That wasn't a threat. She was talking about the health effects of weed vs tobacco.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

That wasn't a threat. She was talking about the health effects of weed vs tobacco.

Actually at that point she was talking about her original ban.

When I see people rummaging around in their handbag for the most damaging thing they have at hand, I don't wait around to see whether it's a gun.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Y'all shoulda seen the personal anonymous threats directed against a known Cellarite here a few weeks ago. Turned me pale. Included shots of someone who was beaten up. You didn't see them because I deleted them. More fun NOT to delete them? Shyeah, I GUESS.

Yikes! Thanks for the vigilance.

[Undertoad]

It wasn't Mari, it was someone anonymous.

[Elspode]

Ah...I see.

I'm going to have to just step back from this whole thing, as I'm actually having trouble being objective. I didn't really see anything from Mari that would merit such a comparison, and since I hold your judgement to be unusually just and reasonable, it is better that I stop batting this issue around.

[Stormieweather]

<Stormieweather munches popcorn and follows all the links, getting to know the Cellarites>


One question, what's AG? Another site? Forum?

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

<Stormieweather munches popcorn and follows all the links, getting to know the Cellarites>


One question, what's AG? Another site? Forum?

AudioGalaxy, a board dedicated to file sharing, which apparently folded, which for some reason resulted in a whole bunch of refugees washing up here on the shores of The Cellar.

Now that the wheat has been pretty much sorted from the chaff, it has actually been rather a good thing (Patrick waves and smiles at our new members who were able to survive the Inquisition and stayed around to become substantive contributors).

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Elspode

AudioGalaxy, a board dedicated to file sharing, which apparently folded

Ok thanks! Carry on.