D.C. a little safer (I hope). - Page 3

MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 08:54 AM

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Anti knife laws? NO! No we wont let you take our knives!

Already happened, no? After some of the thugs switched to knives because they were cheaper and they could be sure the law-abiding wouldn't be better armed?

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=33 was the poster in Swansea.

Followed by proposals to make kitchen knives with sharp points illegal, because they have "no legitimate use". And let's not have any of you out there get caught with battlleaxes, broadswords, maces or morningstars, since there's apparently such a rising tide of assaults with medivial weaponry.

Once the Nanny State gets started, it's hard to get them to stop...all for such a good cause, don't cha know...

Griff · 08-19-2006, 09:29 AM

Being 1/4 Scot, Lil' Pete is pretty dissappointed in her "cousins". She just started saber lessons btw (she was strictly foil her first couple years), I can't believe how unconcerned she is with the bruises etc...

DanaC · 08-19-2006, 09:55 AM

*grins* yes I know they've clamped down. I was just being facetious:P Forgive me, it's a flaw.

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since there's apparently such a rising tide of assaults with medivial weaponry.

Once the Nanny State gets started, it's hard to get them to stop...all for such a good cause, don't cha know...

Two points:
1) Yes we are a bunch of tights-wearing, sherrif-whooping, arrow-firing, monarch-crowning medieavalists at heart :P Are you surprised?

2) Damn that nanny state, and it's unreasonable ban on broadswords and axe-wielding. 'Cause y'know maces don't kill people, people kill people......with maces.

We have had a couple of memorable samurai sword/decorative battle-axe/broad sword type killins around these parts in recent years.

footfootfoot · 08-19-2006, 06:56 PM

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*grins* yes I know they've clamped down. I was just being facetious:P Forgive me, it's a flaw.

I was just being facetious, it's the law.

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MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 07:03 PM

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I was just being facetious, it's the law.
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Either that or "Mike! They're both in the mud! They have to wrestle, it's a law or something." --MST3K

MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

1) Yes we are a bunch of tights-wearing, sherrif-whooping, arrow-firing, monarch-crowning medieavalists at heart :P Are you surprised?

Very surprised. I get a quite different impression. When my daughter got married in Oystermouth Castle the groom had to bring his own sword. From the US.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-19-2006, 07:06 PM

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Very surprised. I get a quite different impression. When my daughter got married in Oystermouth Castle the groom had to bring his own sword. From the US.

How did he get away with that? Even in checked baggage I should think they would have freaked.

MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 07:16 PM

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How did he get away with that? Even in checked baggage I should think they would have freaked.

They shipped it ahead of time.

MaggieL · 08-21-2006, 01:24 PM

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How did he get away with that? Even in checked baggage I should think they would have freaked.

Ya think?

And in other news...

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We don't need to ban water from planes; we need to keep terrorists off them. To most effectively do so, we need to get over our obsession with "bad" things (laptops, lighters, bottled water) and start looking for bad people

xoxoxoBruce · 08-22-2006, 04:53 AM

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Ya think?

Yes, that's why I asked.

wolf · 08-19-2006, 03:33 PM

You've also jailed homeowners for defending themselves against violent repeat offenders ... and give the offenders a walk on the crimes they were committing at the time for giving evidence against the homeowner. There is something majorly fucked in your system of justice.

DanaC · 08-19-2006, 05:49 PM

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You've also jailed homeowners for defending themselves against violent repeat offenders ..

Yes, i think i know the case you are referring to. A farmer was jailed for shooting a teenaged burglar in the back as he ran away. I do not believe that anyone has the right to kill a child ( he was 15) in order to defend their stuff. To defend their life? yes. To defend their cd player? nope.

MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 06:21 PM

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I do not believe that anyone has the right to kill a child ( he was 15) in order to defend their stuff.

Fred Barras was 16, but his accomplice was Brendon Fearon, a 29-yo violent career criminal, who was apparently *not* running away, and then sued for damages. I don't think it reasonable that a farmer, in a remote farmhouse, burgled many times in the past, confronting two criminals late at night in the dark in his own home should be required to get proof of age of all present before acting to defend himself.

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At his trial, Martin claimed that on the night of August 20, 1999, he was awakened by sounds in his home. He took his shotgun and came downstairs, he claimed, to be confronted by a torch being shone in his face. A 29 year old man, Brendon Fearon, and an accomplice of 16, Fred Barras, were stealing from the house. Martin fired three shots in the dark and in doing so killed the youth, and injured the older man.

Fearson died in the comission of a felony...and the UK held the victim of the felony responsible, rather than the "adult" man who led him into that peril.

DanaC · 08-19-2006, 06:32 PM

That may have been what he 'claimed' happened. But during the trial it became apparent that the shooting occured as the burglars were leaving his property. He fired as they were running down the stairs. Shooting someone in the back as they run away is not defence.

MaggieL · 08-19-2006, 06:57 PM

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That may have been what he 'claimed' happened. But during the trial it became apparent that the shooting occured as the burglars were leaving his property. He fired as they were running down the stairs. Shooting someone in the back as they run away is not defence.

Well, it's truly noble that England is being kept safe for burglars.

Strikes me it grows out of that "wealth of the nation" philosophy..."You have no right to be safe in your home with your property, it's part the 'wealth of the nation' and your claim on it is so weak that these poor unfortunate criminals have a right to walk off with anything they can make it out the door with, and your only recourse being to call the constables who tried to disarm you and have been ignoring your complaints."

Our laws are different, and I prefer it that way.

08-19-2006, 09:29 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Being 1/4 Scot, Lil' Pete is pretty dissappointed in her "cousins". She just started saber lessons btw (she was strictly foil her first couple years), I can't believe how unconcerned she is with the bruises etc... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-19-2006, 03:33 PM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You've also jailed homeowners for defending themselves against violent repeat offenders ... and give the offenders a walk on the crimes they were committing at the time for giving evidence against the homeowner. There is something majorly fucked in your system of justice. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-19-2006, 06:32 PM	#14
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	That may have been what he 'claimed' happened. But during the trial it became apparent that the shooting occured as the burglars were leaving his property. He fired as they were running down the stairs. Shooting someone in the back as they run away is not defence.

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