Sexual history doesn't matter? Who would marry a porn star?

[mrnoodle]

btw, it's clear that bmw has women issues, but the point of view he's expressing isn't nearly as hateful as you're making it out to be. If you act as judgemental as he does, how are you better? There's a lot of anger there, it would be worth the discussion to find out more about it rather than defaulting to snide one-liners and harumphs. Misogyny can be caused by things other than "he's just an asshole".

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

btw, it's clear that bmw has women issues, but the point of view he's expressing isn't nearly as hateful as you're making it out to be. If you act as judgemental as he does, how are you better? There's a lot of anger there, it would be worth the discussion to find out more about it rather than defaulting to snide one-liners and harumphs. Misogyny can be caused by things other than "he's just an asshole".

Who is "you"?
However, once you know you are a mysogynist... get it fixed.

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I'm the opposite. I think porn and sex for fun are not only immoral, but have quite possibly done more damage to individuals' lives and society at large than anything else. Wherever you find a sex crime, you find porn somewhere in the mix. Porn is dehumanizing, and it perpetuates the idea that you can fuck anyone at anytime with no mental, spiritual, or social consequences. Tain't so.


lol taint.

Prove it.

Attaching morality to sex is what propagates the problems we have with misogyny in our society.

Porn can be dehuminzing... it can also be celebratory. Just depends on how it is done and/or viewed.

Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Who is "you"?
However, once you know you are a mysogynist... get it fixed.


Prove it.

Attaching morality to sex is what propagates the problems we have with misogyny in our society.

Porn can be dehuminzing... it can also be celebratory. Just depends on how it is done and/or viewed.

Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

"mysogynist" what a cop-out. Dettaching morality from sex has degraded all men and women.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Who is "you"?

not you you. "you" as in "one"

Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

For your analogy accurately reflect mine, it would have to say "Wherever you find heroin junkies, you find people selling drugs." Pornographers sell images of flesh. There's no context, no acknowledgement of the mental and emotional component of sex. This is fuel for rapists and pedos, IMO.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Pornographers sell images of flesh. There's no context, no acknowledgement of the mental and emotional component of sex. This is fuel for rapists and pedos, IMO.

Porn Up, Rape Down

[Madman]

I believe the threads were a discussion on the norm. A porn star is not considered the norm by the standards of the initial threads concerning these subjects. I also doubt when these threads were started. The idea of a porn star didn't even come to mind. I would guess that most of the posts people made were based on current relationships and not hypothetical relationships.

Would the average person (however defined) marry a porn star? First they would have to meet the porn star. Then they could take it from there.

As for me. Would I marry a porn star or a hooker? Fuck no! Why? Because they are a porn star or a hooker.

[Ibby]

Why is sex immoral and awful and degrading, but, say, walking on the beach, or a nice hot bath, or a massage, or a great song not immoral? It's all just pleasure and a way to get it. True, sex entails certain things to ensure safety and whatnot, but still, I dont and never will see how sex, in any circumstance, is immoral, EXCEPT in cases of cheating on significant others. Which is a whole different ballpark.

[Aliantha]

I think it depends how far back you want to go if you want to say sex between willing partners in any form is immoral.

If, as has been suggested, sex is for the purposes of procreation, then who put the caveat of marriage or fidelity on procreation? Society? Maybe...unless you really believe God did it.

Then again, if sex is the communion between two people and it's a magical thing which will bring everlasting memories of love and commitment, then yeah, don't go getting your rocks off just because you find someone attractive to the point that you can't bear to not touch them.

If on the other hand you believe that sex is a physical act which can be interpreted in many different ways, for many different purposes, then go ahead and make your own judgement call about which is for physical pleasure, and which is for spiritual pleasure.

I believe there is a distinction and that they are also interchangeable.

[squirell nutkin]

I think bmw has listened to this song too many times:

I made it through the wilderness
Somehow I made it through
Didn't know how lost I was
Until I found you

I was beat, incomplete
I'd been had, I was sad and blue
But you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
Shiny and new

Chorus:

Like a virgin
Touched for the very first time
Like a virgin
When your heart beats
Next to mine

Gonna give you all my love, boy
My fear is fading fast
Been saving it all for you
'Cause only love can last

You're so fine and you're mine
Make me strong, yeah you make me bold
Oh your love thawed out
Yeah, your love thawed out
What was scared and cold

(chorus)

Oooh, oooh, oooh

You're so fine and you're mine
I'll be yours 'till the end of time
'Cause you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
I've nothing to hide

(chorus)

Like a virgin, ooh, ooh
Like a virgin
Feels so good inside
When you hold me, and your heart beats, and you love me

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Ooh, baby
Can't you hear my heart beat
For the very first time?

[Trilby]

I thought rape was about power and control.

[Aliantha]

It is Brianna. It's just that men are now comming to accept that they have less power and virtually no control anyway.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

It is Brianna. It's just that men are now comming to accept that they have less power and virtually no control anyway.

If by "just now" you mean since I got married and had kids, then, yeah.

Originally Posted by bmwmcaw

What really changes is opportunities. When your young you have greater opportunities than when you get older.

Age is NOT an excuse.

It’s about character.

I was really trying to stay out of this, but, oh well.

I'm a million years old, and I still have plenty of opportunities. In my age bracket about the only people who don't have a sexual past are nuns or priests or someone who has something deeply emotionally wrong with them.

Any man who expects me to have sat around waiting for him for forty years, singing "Someday my prince will come" has a screw loose.

You seem to believe that sex is inherently immoral unless its between a man and wife. Period. Most of us disagree with that. Why do you keep belaboring the same point over and over again? Much as you might wish it, we are not going back to the age when women wore chastity belts.

No, I probably wouldn't marry some aging porn star, but I seriously doubt if I'd marry you either.

Why don't you go and find yourself some nice girl who thinks like you do, marry her, and move on to the next topic? This one was getting old three threads ago.

Originally Posted by marichiko

I was really trying to stay out of this, but, oh well.

I'm a million years old, and I still have plenty of opportunities. In my age bracket about the only people who don't have a sexual past are nuns or priests or someone who has something deeply emotionally wrong with them.

Any man who expects me to have sat around waiting for him for forty years, singing "Someday my prince will come" has a screw loose.

You seem to believe that sex is inherently immoral unless its between a man and wife. Period. Most of us disagree with that. Why do you keep belaboring the same point over and over again? Much as you might wish it, we are not going back to the age when women wore chastity belts.

No, I probably wouldn't marry some aging porn star, but I seriously doubt if I'd marry you either.

Why don't you go and find yourself some nice girl who thinks like you do, marry her, and move on to the next topic? This one was getting old three threads ago.

I see the contradiction in your statements and I hope you do to.

I never implied that sex was immoral unless people where married. However, sex for sex sake is intemperate. It’s irresponsible. It cheapens the intimacy that is supposedly the purpose of sex.
It isn't about adult choice its about honesty. Would you engage in sexual intercourse if it was stated right up front that the episode was pure recreational and the pairing will dissolve immediately afterwards?

I think nobody would honestly say yes given those terms because you cannot abstract sex. The risk of pregnancy and the responsibility that comes with it, no matter how slight, plays in the background of your thoughts. I never met a person that engaged in sex without SOME emotional component, unless they where buying a hooker.

Its that emotional component that seeds the moral question.

Originally Posted by bmwmcaw

I see the contradiction in your statements and I hope you do to.

I never implied that sex was immoral unless people where married. However, sex for sex sake is intemperate. It’s irresponsible. It cheapens the intimacy that is supposedly the purpose of sex.
It isn't about adult choice its about honesty. Would you engage in sexual intercourse if it was stated right up front that the episode was pure recreational and the pairing will dissolve immediately afterwards?

I think nobody would honestly say yes given those terms because you cannot abstract sex. The risk of pregnancy and the responsibility that comes with it, no matter how slight, plays in the background of your thoughts. I never met a person that engaged in sex without SOME emotional component, unless they where buying a hooker.

Its that emotional component that seeds the moral question.

No, I don't see the contradiction in my statements, but its been an off day for me around the Cellar, today, so feel free to enlighten me.

I don't have to worry about pregnancy, anymore, but I still don't say "yes" to a man whom I've just met. In my younger days I had a couple of one night stands out of curiosity as much as anything else, and I decided the experience was not for me. When I get into a relationship with someone, it usually lasts for a while. I was married for 20 years, but before that I was engaged for two years, so I wasn't a virgin when I married.

If some people want to have sex just to have sex, and both parties know beforehand and agree, I have no problem with that as long as they are both consenting adults. Live and let live is my motto.