TEST ON THE SUBJECT OF SLAVERY

[BobT]

Were those from memory or do you have links to the citations (like the field hand receiving 90% of the income he generated, for example?)

Thanks for your words of encouragement. I would love to say that 40 years after taking the course that I could have such a thorough recall of the course material. Unfortunately, I am not so wonderfully blessed. I did a quick research of the course material and shared it with all. Since I was not being graded on the topic, I fear I may not have worried about a little plagiarism.

[BobT]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So the 90% that the slave received includes the "services" that the owner provides for maintenance.

Absolutely, the maintenance of the bear necessities of life was included in that 90%. It also included some benefits to the slave beyond bare subsistence. The spirits of a man can not be totally ignored, or his work suffers. It was therefore, in the best interest of the slave owner to allow some personal benefit to accrue to the slave. It was also in the best interest of the slave owner to allow the slave to maintain his family unit for similar reasons.

BoB T . What else did you learn in college ? I think we are unfair to insist on the slavery . What was your main subject ? You said six years in college , so I presume we are talking about from the age of 18 to 24 .

SHARE !!!!!! ( cookie fun)

[BobT]

If you want to know more about ME, I will gladly share a little of myself with you.
I started college directly out of high school. I did not appreciate the educational opportunity. I partied and paid little attention to my studies. I flunked out and from there was drafted into military service and went to Vietnam. While there I was wounded in action, and lost both legs. After spending almost a year and a half in the hospital I returned to school. I majored in economics at the University of Rochester. After graduating with a bachelor’s degree in economics I went on to post graduate studies in economics at UCLA. While in Los Angeles I married and as a result, have a wonderful daughter, son-in-law and GRANDAUGHTER....oh yes, and a wife of 31 years. I worked in banks for years as a commercial loan officer, and since 1989 have owned a mortgage company in Florida, where we make loans in the state of Florida and Tennessee.

But I digress....we were talking about slavery. It was a course that truly interested me. It was a fascinating field of study. A very emotional topic that was difficult to study without entertaining one's own personal demons and prejudices. It was very closely limited to the study of "the economics of AMERICAN NEGRO SLAVERY" (as the course was titled in 1971) I took it at the U of R. When I went to UCLA, a requirement was the taking of the SAME course. When I told them that I had already taken it they didn't seem to care, and still wanted me to take it again, but when from Stanley Engerman they immediately dropped the requirement. He was a fascinating gentlemen and professor, and lit a fire of enthusiasm in his students.
........so......do I get the rum?

[JayMcGee]

'fraid not......

you didn't pick up on

'5. The typical slave field hand was not lazy, inept, and unproductive. On average he was harder-working and more efficient than his white counterpart.'

Slavery is not about race. Challenge your college on this issue.

[BobT]

i believe that the point of that observation should more accurately have said: "than their NON SLAVE counterpart.".....as i am sure you are aware, there were no "white" slaves at that time. slavery in america WAS a racial thing at the time....there were only "negro" slaves....as the work was titled: "the economics of american negro slavery"
in any event, if there were "white" slaves, this study was only concerned with the "negro" slave.

[xoxoxoBruce]

There were white slaves. One was called indentured, and it wasn't usually for life. The other were called wives which usually were for life.

Thanks BobT, we appreciate the info and I personally apologize for your ill treatment by the troll.
PM me and I'll send you a bottle of Rum.

[BobT]

you are right. as soon as i had posted that last entry, i realized i had overlooked the indentured servant. paying back a debt back then was a bitch.

Thank you for that point JayMc Gee .

xoxoxoBruce , your attempts to put Negro slavery 'into context' nauseate me , particularly since I know that the sort of people who try to do this are the LEAST concerned by present-day slavery ( see your grotesque comments about the Mexicans who are 'bleeding the U.S. dry' for example ) You do not seem particularly concerned by human issues to do with women either . You do not seem to be concerned with the concept of our common humanity at all , in fact .

BobT , thank you for putting your access to higher education into the context of your own particular drama . You will know from your studies that the runaway slave had his calves chopped off as punishment . So that he would never run again . I am sure that you have empathy for those men . Those men did not have access to higher education .

You are a Vietnam War Veteran . Proportionally , there were far more Negroes in Vietnam than in American society as a whole . The Vietnamese knew this , and floated propaganda down to tell the Negroes to stop fighting a war for people who did not care for them anyway , and who only used them as canon-fodder .

Don't you think that those Vietnamese were right ?

I also know that the white American soldiers felt used too , and they came home into an atmosphere of shame , and not one of glory . This is the subject of a great many Hollywood films .

BobT , I think you should use your suffering to denounce and acknowledge the suffering of the past , instead of allowing yourself to be soft-soaped by the likes of xoxoxoBruce , who is the sort of person who sends the boy that you once were to places like Iraq in the name of America .

There will always be people like xoxoxoBruce to justify horror , and put injustice 'into context' .

For me , America should not be about that .

Show me one person on this forum who is worthy of reading your GREAT writer ( and you have so many ) William Faulkener .

Why does America produce so many truly great writers , and so many run-of-the-mill ordinary people who can't even understand the idea behind Thanksgiving ?

Are the Europeans the only ones who understand your fine literature ?

[capnhowdy]

When I served we didn't have negroes, caucasians, latino, etc. We were all a group of Americans. We all served well. To defend honor is not of color or creed, but a matter of heart and conviction.

All bleed red.

You knew that , Capnhowdy . Maybe you learnt it there .

Did the big bosses behind their desks who sent you there know that ?

The Vietnamese bleed red too . We all do .

[Ibby]

So what's your point, you stuck-up europig?

People like you are why americans are so naturally disliking of europeans, you give your continent a bad name.

Why do the Americans talk more about Vietnam than about the subject of slavery ? Or in fact about ANYTHING .
You start talking about history ( it could even be the War of Roses in Elizabethan England) , and there will always be a Yank who moans about Vietnam .
More recent , and yet localized ? OK . Spanish Civil War . It will always come back to Vietnam .
First World War ? Stuff all those European boys who were slaughtered in millions ( and whom the Americans did not help ) Lads of sixteen mown down in millions ? The flower of our European manhood . Nothing compared to an AMERICAN veteran who is worried by bad dreams . And hey , let's all weep around a Dolly Parton song .

Darfour ?

Same old song .