Cellar exit poll - Election 2006 - Page 3

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 08:09 PM

Well that's not likely to happen when the UN is a puppet for the US to play with.

I can't say whether the citizens of the USA will make the right decision. I'm not even sure if I know what the right decision would be. It's very complicated, and the outcome is not likely to provide an evident answer in the short term anyway.

Elections in the USA during modern history have had a profound effect on the rest of the world, and will continue to do so until such time as their reign as world leaders is over. Then we'll just complain about the new one - whoever it might be.

Perhaps then, the citizens of the USA will lament their glory days, just as the British empire does...as do the French, Greeks, Egyptians etc...

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:18 PM

I'm sure your own local town councils have more sway over your life than the US Congress, in terms of what happens on an every day basis. Your own culture has more of an effect than anything else.

JayMcGee · 11-07-2006, 08:25 PM

mmmmmmm........ I'm not convinced that my borough councils anti-litter crackdown inspired the 7/7 bombers....

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 08:27 PM

I think world events have a marked effect on local events. Both are intertwined and not easily separated, so to try and deny that US elections have a profound effect on events in other countries is simply not true. Perhaps the effects are not immediate, but if Regan had one thing figured out, it was the 'trickle down' effect.

Believe me, the citizens of the USA hold the fate of many far more than their own countrymen in their hands during this election.

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:28 PM

Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

Pie · 11-07-2006, 08:44 PM

Dem for Senate/House, Dem for all the locals, though I would have voted just about any flavor other than Rep for locals. No Yes Yes on the props.

Hey, I got to vote for a fellow physicist. Pretty cool.

11-07-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

Yep.

In Iraq.

What's the ratio now of Americans (and our allies like the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians) who have been killed in one of the stupidest wars since Vietnam to the number killed in 9/11. What about the ratio of Iraqi civilians compared to American civilians killed in 9/11? Where is the man responsible for it all? Jr. doesn't know and neither does anyone else. The people responsible for 9/11 were Saudi's. If we couldn't stomach going to Afganistan to find Bin Laden, shouldn't we at least have attacked Saudi Arabia?

And going back to your original question, there were probably a few Brits and Aussies who got blown up in 9/11. However, I notice that our faithful allies (at least on this board) are not hugely impressed by Jr.'s response.

Yeah, our election effects them. As our allies, their young men get to go to Iraq and get killed just like ours do. Let's hear it for another Gallipuli.

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:54 PM

I wasn't asking you, so shut the fuck up and don't respond to any of my posts again.

Ibby · 11-07-2006, 08:57 PM

whoa, jesus, harsh!

11-07-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I wasn't asking you, so shut the fuck up and don't respond to any of my posts again.

Truth hurts, eh? Fine, I will never again respond to one of your posts if you agree to do the same for me.

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 09:20 PM

Holy snapping frog shit! That was rough.

About Gallipoli, let's remember how the Brits couldn't read their maps and sent thousands of young Australians to their deaths at the hands of the Turks.

There's records of poorly handled war strategies everywhere you look throughout history.

Hindsight is a great equalizer.

richlevy · 11-07-2006, 09:31 PM

I found two ballot initiatives, one I had forgotten about, one raising $20 million for Iraq veterans and a 1 mil tax for our tiny township library, raising about $20,000 per year.

I am still willing to cross the aisle and vote for Republicans who are truly independent, which can still happen at the state level. The recent suspension of voting in Congress to allow Cheney and the Republican leadership time to strongarm members of Congress shows that at a national level the strings are very much there.

Now however, moderate Republicans can grow a spine and point out to the leadership that voting the party line might get them some support from the national committee but still lose them the race in the end.

This election will be a victory for middle-of-the-road Repbulicans and Democrats, who will have the power to resist the fringes of their parties.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-07-2006, 09:46 PM

Some Republicans, some Libertarians, zero Democrats because the Jackass Party isn't keeping the Republic. Voted against most of the initiatives -- it's difficult to get an initiative that is well crafted legally around here, so a high degree of skepticism is in order, I think. These initiatives run to bond issues to fund this or that allegedly worthy endeavor, but a vote against government indebtedness is usually what I cast, deeming it generally best. Voted favorably for all the Judiciary positions, knowing nothing derogatory about any of the candidates. After dropping off my absentee ballot and my wife's, I schmoozed with the poll workers for about a quarter hour. This is our area's second election with the new polling machinery, and it looks to be rather smoother going than the first.

Once again, Marichiko demonstrates she doesn't know any better, doesn't want to know any better, hasn't the vision ever to know any better -- like she has real trouble seeing that the world is better with a shortage of its Saddams than a surplus. Mari, you like dictatorships, particularly foreign ones where they get really nasty out there, much better than I do. You're not enlightened, you know.

richlevy · 11-07-2006, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

but a vote against government indebtedness is usually what I cast, deeming it generally best.

So your unqualified support of a President who more than doubles the national debt to 8.5 trillion is because......

11-07-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Holy snapping frog shit! That was rough.

About Gallipoli, let's remember how the Brits couldn't read their maps and sent thousands of young Australians to their deaths at the hands of the Turks.

There's records of poorly handled war strategies everywhere you look throughout history.

Hindsight is a great equalizer.

UT's always hated me. Nothing new there. There were a number of reasons for the slaughter at Gallipoli. Historians argue it to this day. "Mistakes were made." Ahem. Here's a passage from Wikepedia:

Quote:

The competence of Australian brigade commanders, John Monash and Henry Chauvel, would be recognised with promotion to the command of divisions and ultimately corps. Winston Churchill and the First Sea Lord John Fisher both resigned as a result of the defeat, amid mutual recriminations. Lord Kitchener was too popular to be punished, but he never recovered his old reputation for invincibility and was increasingly sidelined by his colleagues until his death the following year. Gallipoli was also instrumental in the fall of the prime minister H. H. Asquith in 1916.

The significance of the battle of Gallipoli is perhaps most strongly felt in Australia and New Zealand where it was the first great conflict experienced by those fledgling nations. Before Gallipoli the citizens of these countries were confident of the superiority of the British Empire and were proud and eager to offer their service. Gallipoli shook that confidence and three years on the Western Front would destroy it utterly.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerilla

Mari, you like dictatorships, particularly foreign ones where they get really nasty out there, much better than I do. You're not enlightened, you know.

And neither are you. I have answered you at length in the past and been met with only obscenities for a reply or silence when even your foul vocabulary fails you. Get back to me when you have learned the art of logic and your writing skills have progressed beyond graffiti on an inner city wall.

View Poll Results: How did you vote?
Democrats	17	44.74%
Republicans	5	13.16%
Some sort of mixture of the two.	12	31.58%
Independents/Other	7	18.42%
I'm not going to vote.	1	2.63%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

11-07-2006, 08:09 PM	#31
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well that's not likely to happen when the UN is a puppet for the US to play with. I can't say whether the citizens of the USA will make the right decision. I'm not even sure if I know what the right decision would be. It's very complicated, and the outcome is not likely to provide an evident answer in the short term anyway. Elections in the USA during modern history have had a profound effect on the rest of the world, and will continue to do so until such time as their reign as world leaders is over. Then we'll just complain about the new one - whoever it might be. Perhaps then, the citizens of the USA will lament their glory days, just as the British empire does...as do the French, Greeks, Egyptians etc... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 08:25 PM	#33
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	mmmmmmm........ I'm not convinced that my borough councils anti-litter crackdown inspired the 7/7 bombers.... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-07-2006, 08:27 PM	#34
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think world events have a marked effect on local events. Both are intertwined and not easily separated, so to try and deny that US elections have a profound effect on events in other countries is simply not true. Perhaps the effects are not immediate, but if Regan had one thing figured out, it was the 'trickle down' effect. Believe me, the citizens of the USA hold the fate of many far more than their own countrymen in their hands during this election. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 08:44 PM	#36
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Dem for Senate/House, Dem for all the locals, though I would have voted just about any flavor other than Rep for locals. No Yes Yes on the props. Hey, I got to vote for a fellow physicist. Pretty cool. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-07-2006, 08:18 PM	#32
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm sure your own local town councils have more sway over your life than the US Congress, in terms of what happens on an every day basis. Your own culture has more of an effect than anything else.

11-07-2006, 08:28 PM	#35
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

11-07-2006, 08:54 PM	#38
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I wasn't asking you, so shut the fuck up and don't respond to any of my posts again.

11-07-2006, 08:57 PM	#39
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	whoa, jesus, harsh! __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-07-2006, 09:20 PM	#41
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Holy snapping frog shit! That was rough. About Gallipoli, let's remember how the Brits couldn't read their maps and sent thousands of young Australians to their deaths at the hands of the Turks. There's records of poorly handled war strategies everywhere you look throughout history. Hindsight is a great equalizer. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 09:31 PM	#42
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	I found two ballot initiatives, one I had forgotten about, one raising $20 million for Iraq veterans and a 1 mil tax for our tiny township library, raising about $20,000 per year. I am still willing to cross the aisle and vote for Republicans who are truly independent, which can still happen at the state level. The recent suspension of voting in Congress to allow Cheney and the Republican leadership time to strongarm members of Congress shows that at a national level the strings are very much there. Now however, moderate Republicans can grow a spine and point out to the leadership that voting the party line might get them some support from the national committee but still lose them the race in the end. This election will be a victory for middle-of-the-road Repbulicans and Democrats, who will have the power to resist the fringes of their parties. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

11-07-2006, 09:46 PM	#43
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Some Republicans, some Libertarians, zero Democrats because the Jackass Party isn't keeping the Republic. Voted against most of the initiatives -- it's difficult to get an initiative that is well crafted legally around here, so a high degree of skepticism is in order, I think. These initiatives run to bond issues to fund this or that allegedly worthy endeavor, but a vote against government indebtedness is usually what I cast, deeming it generally best. Voted favorably for all the Judiciary positions, knowing nothing derogatory about any of the candidates. After dropping off my absentee ballot and my wife's, I schmoozed with the poll workers for about a quarter hour. This is our area's second election with the new polling machinery, and it looks to be rather smoother going than the first. Once again, Marichiko demonstrates she doesn't know any better, doesn't want to know any better, hasn't the vision ever to know any better -- like she has real trouble seeing that the world is better with a shortage of its Saddams than a surplus. Mari, you like dictatorships, particularly foreign ones where they get really nasty out there, much better than I do. You're not enlightened, you know. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 11-07-2006 at 09:53 PM.

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