Sour Grapes of Wrath

[Tonchi]

Nah, everybody here already knows it. Funny though, maybe it's because I never watch Fox, but before UG I never heard of anybody describing history as not having happened the way it should have because nobody but him realizes what the true definitions of all the words are. Amazing. Rewriting history by vocabulary. Well hon, it actually made me drowsy to read that so I'm signing off now. Catch ya laters

[DanaC]

*chuckles*

[Tonchi]

(Yawn)..... good morning, UG. Well, your lovely rant saying "political assasination and murder of civilians is fine because we are the good guys" is just more of your same ol' same ol'. Fill in the blanks with the nation of your choice, the rant is the same. In MY vocabulary, murder still results in dead people, and they and their families don't much appreciate that "our boys were right." And before you send me off to do my homework, maybe you should know that I already have a degree in the subject, I speak the language there, I have friends who are Chilean, and I have met Ms. Allende when she was at the local university promoting her latest book, I have rented offices to a Chilean dentist and one of my best friends from interpreters school was a Chilean refugee from the Pinochet regime. BTW, you missed the part about how the country was not seized to prevent it being lost to the Marxists (understandable since you have not studied Latin American Coup 101): It's about the POWER, baby. Ideology is for press conferences only. Can't let all the revenues you are funneling into your own Swiss bank account be divided with the unwashed masses, and God forbid that somebody else take charge of those mines which are slipping YOU enough cash to retire like a sultan. Like I said, the Mormons had more to do with the panic to change government in Chile than the Russians ever did. Oh, yeah, and I also handled the copper companies when I was with IBM in Tucson and have visited all the copper mines and seen the environmental disasters they were allowed to become and how they literally bred each succeeding generation of mine laborers onsite. How fortunate that they were allowed to continue with business as usual elsewhere, for the sake of keeping "Marxists" out of Latin America.

[DanaC]

Tonchi, Tonchi, *deadpan* you should know by now not to take on the uber intellect of Urbane Guerrilla. His knowledge is.....unassailable and his logic pure in its perfection.

*blinks*

Nice post. I didn't know that much about the Chilean situation, just the odd thing I'd picked up by osmosis:P I didn't know anything about the Mormons and the copper mines.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tonch, I see, can't sustain his argument, doesn't refute me on points of fact, and waves the matter away. Can't be bothered. We see that sort of thing all the time from the too-left.

Not my style. I first make certain of my ground, then I eat the opposition alive. The opposition retreats at that point, in disorder.

I volunteer to bother him until he quits being silly -- or is drowned in it.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Dana, you slipped: look up posterity.

Also familiarize yourself with the pogroms and genocides and scarcities uniformly perpetrated by the communist regimes: the century-long record shows the anti-communist is the pro human. Spend your energies on being pro human instead of railing at me, and you will spend your energies in a more intelligent manner than you've hitherto shown. In other words, quit being such a slacker. There is not and never was anything wrong with trying to get rich, either -- yet you seem to think there is. Shame. Shame. Thrice shame.

[Aliantha]

After you've looked at genocides committed by 'the commies', look up the ones committed by the capitalists.

I can't think of any that really hold up to Stalin and his contemporaries.

[Tonchi]

But you did not deal in FACTS, this time, UG. You have huge assumptions involved in everything you said. What-ifs, suppose-thats, bias, predictions, political intrigues, and Cold War rhetoric. The only FACT you have was that somebody wrote a book. What I said was very plain and easy to understand, and it did not require a term paper to expound: i.e., that THEN, AS NOW, the United States of America has no right, for the benefit of private interests, to arrange or assist in the murder of a duly and legally elected official of a sovereign nation. It is illegal, immoral, hypocritical, and it has had a nasty way of backfiring on us. Do I expect you to be able to understand and agree with a statement like that? Not a chance. Because, YOU, like too many others of your kind, are not capable of simply saying NO, We Won't Go There. Instead, with bombast and bombs, you charge right in with your you-know-whats waving high and the destruction begins. And nobody could care any less that it is the values which we claim we want to teach the world that are also being destroyed.

[Undertoad]

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

[Aliantha]

That was a really interesting link UT. Thanks for finding it...and sharing it.

[Tonchi]

That is very interesting. The one printed recently in National Geographic included slaughters of less than one million, though. That allowed for the inclusion of the Philippines, where during the Marcos regime there were at least 10,000 murdered. The United States supported the Marcos regime..... ka-ching!

[Aliantha]

I can't wait for UG's next installment.

[Tonchi]

I can, at least until tomorrow

[Aliantha]

lol...don't you like UG's input?

I think it's always great, even if I do think a lot of it is pretty much tripe.