ID Card On Its Way - Page 3

piercehawkeye45 · 02-18-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymented

If it serves government security, it serves me. I'm not sure what you're all worked up about tw. Why do you assume evil intent?

The more power you have the more corrupt you become.

02-18-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymented

If it serves government security, it serves me. I'm not sure what you're all worked up about tw. Why do you assume evil intent?

Because that is the only use for which it can be used. Taking away freedom is not needed, doing so is wrong and tyrannical, easy.

tw · 02-18-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymented

If it serves government security, it serves me. I'm not sure what you're all worked up about tw. Why do you assume evil intent?

It serves government ‘exclusive or’ serves you. It does not and cannot serve both because you and government are completely different entities obviously with completely different objectives and needs. You did not even read that previous discussion - did you? Your question was predicted; the answer provided – and you did not read it. The hyperlink was provided three times so that you could not ignore it.

Why do you naively believe anyone is magically and only working for you - the predicate of your question?

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A massive difference exists between what WE need and what HE wants. But again, read that entire and previous discussion in A National ID Card .

Let’s see. Those sentences said what your question would be AND where an answer resides. Instead, you want me to rehash what has already been answered? Well that is the fourth time I gave you the hyperlink to read before ever posting anything again in your life. Not difficult. Just put your lips together and just … sorry … wrong quote.

02-18-2007, 06:56 PM

There is something people have forgotten, the government has no rights, only citizens.
"Protect and serve" means the citizens, not the establishment.
They have no right to ask what you are doing or who you are unless you are actively committing a crime, that is all.

Aliantha · 02-18-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

There is something people have forgotten, the government has no rights, only citizens.
"Protect and serve" means the citizens, not the establishment.
They have no right to ask what you are doing or who you are unless you are actively committing a crime, that is all.

So if an illegal alien isn't committing a crime, a law enforcement officer who suspects that person of being illegal, therefor has no right to ask for identification?

Ibby · 02-19-2007, 12:23 AM

Well technically being there illegally is an ongoing commission of a crime, so...

Aliantha · 02-19-2007, 12:26 AM

Yes, but if there's no visible crime being committed then what excuse would they have for stopping the possible citizen and asking for id (according to the logic of rkz's argument)? See my point?

Ibby · 02-19-2007, 09:24 AM

Of course I see it, I was just pointing that out.

02-19-2007, 10:03 AM

Should watch the whole thing.

monster · 02-20-2007, 10:13 PM

long response to some one so clearly beneath your contempt! (oh wait, that's an emotion isn't it? Scratch that.) Thank you for your compliments regarding my maturity -it is something I've been working on.

oh, and you're still missing the point -my post was my opinion based on my experience. Whether you agree or not is entirely irrelevant. Important though I'm sure you are. Well at least you're sure you are.

/hook, line and sinker
//still carded and I'm now 36 -perhaps you're jealous?

I'd love to read who you think I am based on the few posts of mine you have read. Clearly you already have me pegged as horribly immature -pray, do continue.... Background, education level, skin color, occupation etc. But wait 'til I get some Depends.

9th Engineer · 02-20-2007, 10:34 PM

Have you ever bothered to take that thought any further and ask WHY the government demands it tw?

piercehawkeye45 · 02-20-2007, 10:35 PM

I worked at a grocery store where the served alcohol and they ask for ID because they don't want an employee to misjudge someone and get fined by the government for selling alcohol to people underage.

If the law wasn't enforced then they would allow underaged peoples to buy it because it will give them more money. It makes no sense for a company to deny a customer of a purchase unless it will hurt them in the long run.

monster · 02-20-2007, 10:41 PM

(If the DL wasn't treated as an official ID card, they'd accept a passport as proof of age

)

((....DLs aren't issued nationally, but are accepted nationally as proof of age/ID therefore they ACT AS NATIONAL ID CARDS.... no?))

Aliantha · 02-20-2007, 11:07 PM

In most cases, clerks ask for id because the law is such that they're personally liable if they sell products like alcohol to minors. If they weren't, why would they care?

02-20-2007, 11:15 PM

Be nice to get I'D still....

02-19-2007, 12:23 AM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Well technically being there illegally is an ongoing commission of a crime, so... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

02-19-2007, 12:26 AM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yes, but if there's no visible crime being committed then what excuse would they have for stopping the possible citizen and asking for id (according to the logic of rkz's argument)? See my point? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-19-2007, 09:24 AM	#8
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Of course I see it, I was just pointing that out. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

02-20-2007, 10:13 PM	#10
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	long response to some one so clearly beneath your contempt! (oh wait, that's an emotion isn't it? Scratch that.) Thank you for your compliments regarding my maturity -it is something I've been working on. oh, and you're still missing the point -my post was my opinion based on my experience. Whether you agree or not is entirely irrelevant. Important though I'm sure you are. Well at least you're sure you are. /hook, line and sinker //still carded and I'm now 36 -perhaps you're jealous? I'd love to read who you think I am based on the few posts of mine you have read. Clearly you already have me pegged as horribly immature -pray, do continue.... Background, education level, skin color, occupation etc. But wait 'til I get some Depends. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-20-2007, 10:34 PM	#11
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Have you ever bothered to take that thought any further and ask WHY the government demands it tw? __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

02-18-2007, 06:56 PM	#4
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	There is something people have forgotten, the government has no rights, only citizens. "Protect and serve" means the citizens, not the establishment. They have no right to ask what you are doing or who you are unless you are actively committing a crime, that is all.

02-19-2007, 10:03 AM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Should watch the whole thing.

02-20-2007, 10:35 PM	#12
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I worked at a grocery store where the served alcohol and they ask for ID because they don't want an employee to misjudge someone and get fined by the government for selling alcohol to people underage. If the law wasn't enforced then they would allow underaged peoples to buy it because it will give them more money. It makes no sense for a company to deny a customer of a purchase unless it will hurt them in the long run.

02-20-2007, 10:41 PM	#13
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	(If the DL wasn't treated as an official ID card, they'd accept a passport as proof of age ) ((....DLs aren't issued nationally, but are accepted nationally as proof of age/ID therefore they ACT AS NATIONAL ID CARDS.... no?)) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-20-2007, 11:07 PM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	In most cases, clerks ask for id because the law is such that they're personally liable if they sell products like alcohol to minors. If they weren't, why would they care? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-20-2007, 11:15 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Be nice to get I'D still....

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