Religious Discrimination in the USA

[xoxoxoBruce]

All religions are something that somebody just made up.

But in "my" religion, (fillinblank), that somebody was God.
Who can rightfully say they are wrong?

How cool would that be, if we all got to make any statement we wanted to and everyone has to believes us because they can't prove a negative?
Court would be fun, huh?
I'm not saying that everyone should go around telling religious people that they can't believe what they want.
I am saying that if they are going to say one person's belief system is wrong, then they have to prove their own.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If someone can wear their star of David or their cross, he can wear his costume. ...

Originally Posted by wolf

I suspect that your point is that the Star of David and the Cross are symbols of something just as made up as the FSM.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It's all just made-up. It was not disguised as a point, I am saying it as a fact.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But as usual, your "facts" are you're bullshit opinion.

Originally Posted by Flint

All religions are something that somebody just made up. ...

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Who can rightfully say they are wrong?

If, by "they" you are including the kid in the pirate suit, then we're going in circles here. If not, we're back at square one.

[Aliantha]

It's ok for them to make him not wear his pirate suit. They probably don't allow veils or anything like that either.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I'm not saying that everyone should go around telling religious people that they can't believe what they want.

Except of course the religious people who believe that immoral behavior (sin) leads to negative consequences (hell)? Because according to you that's child abuse.

I'm sorry your parents were overbearing and probably completely misinterpreted the concepts of sin and forgiveness in the Bible. But that doesn't make all teaching of the concept of an afterlife to be child abuse. You've alluded to other treatment you received which actually is child abuse, and I think you've permanently associated the two, which is unfortunate.

[Hyoi]

If you let them take away the kid's right to wear a pirate suit, they'll follow up with making the hot chicks wear bras. Folks, that's downright unAmerican.

I hate you for even thinking that!

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Except of course the religious people who believe that immoral behavior (sin) leads to negative consequences (hell)? Because according to you that's child abuse.

I'm sorry your parents were overbearing and probably completely misinterpreted the concepts of sin and forgiveness in the Bible. But that doesn't make all teaching of the concept of an afterlife to be child abuse. You've alluded to other treatment you received which actually is child abuse, and I think you've permanently associated the two, which is unfortunate.

I was not raised Christian or by religious parents of any kind... nice shot in the dark though, keep tryin'.
I never said all concepts of the afterlife child abuse or anything of that nature. I made a very clear, specific, statement, if you read into that, that is your problem.
Belief and action are two, very different, things.
It is anyone's right to be a homophobe or racist... just not to act on it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

How cool would that be, if we all got to make any statement we wanted to and everyone has to believes us because they can't prove a negative?
Court would be fun, huh?
I'm not saying that everyone should go around telling religious people that they can't believe what they want.
I am saying that if they are going to say one person's belief system is wrong, then they have to prove their own.

That's why faith is in church and law is in court.

[Aliantha]

So what you're saying rkz is that it's fine to have faith in your own religion, just don't think you have the right to tell someone else their own religion and therefore faith is wrong because if you do then you're putting the onus of proof on yourself first?

As Bruce points out, religion is about faith. I guess many people have trouble with the concept of other people having faith in other things. Religious fervour is a problem in many ways, but in others it can be good.

I think that's important to remember when it comes to arguments like these that even though religion and government should be separate, religion serves a great purpose to many people.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Flint

If, by "they" you are including the kid in the pirate suit, then we're going in circles here. If not, we're back at square one.

C'mon, you know deep down this kid is shit stirring to the nth degree.
He thinks he's more clever than the school administration, and has found a loophole in the rules.

What he hasn't learned yet is the rules are fairly loose, don't cover all the possible loopholes because;
1- they become ponderous and
2-The school administration can do anything they want. Change rules, enforce or not enforce them, makes new ones retroactive, on a whim. That's how kids learn that life ain't fair and power corrupts.

[monster]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Hey, Monster...you should talk to this guy...

moi? *looks round for other monsters...*

Hell, I have a zillion opinions on this.

10) Piratin' clothes should be school uniform.
20) Hubby (beest) should dress like a pirate for work. And at other times
30) still thinking about line 20 *drool*
40) have middle kid's pirate-theme birthday party next week -need all the inspiration I can get
50) coffee moms suggested I should dress beest as pirate
60) goto 20
70) if program fucked up and you got past of images of beest as pirate (good, all the more images for me), then the school was right. If the clothing is disruptive towards education in any way, then it is not appropriate for school, regardles of the reasons for wearing it. However, if the school allows other disruptive clothing -regarless of the reasons for wearing it, then the kid is right to claim discrimination. Aaaarrrrrr.

[Aliantha]

My son wore this outfit to school one day.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Why?

[Aliantha]

Cause it was a free dress day and he wanted to. I think he put shoes on though. I'm pretty sure he didn't wear sox and thongs to school, although sox and thongs is rather formal for us here.