Finally a Muslim with the guts to say it - Page 3

Cloud · 07-17-2007, 06:33 PM

the music of the spheres, man!

Cloud · 07-17-2007, 10:56 PM

yes, women would, and have, fought for religious rights. But I don't think they've been involved much in the decision making of the Muslim heirarchy.

the Muslin heirarchy, perhaps.

Happy Monkey · 07-18-2007, 12:29 AM

No, you're not. Whether belief makes someone behave in a certain way has no relationship with whether it is true or not.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-18-2007, 12:52 AM

You haven't tried yet, I see. Quit dicking around.

Happy Monkey · 07-18-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You haven't tried yet, I see. Quit dicking around.

There's nothing to try. Even if the premise (believers are better behaved) were true, it in no way implies that what they believe is true. A kid afraid of Santa's list may be on his best behavior, and the parents may find that convenient, but there's no Santa.

yesman065 · 07-18-2007, 01:20 PM

What? No Santa??? Are you serious??

DanaC · 07-19-2007, 02:18 PM

In my experience, those who don't believe in an afterlife are no more inclined to act like a jerk than those who do.....if anything, marginally less. If there's no afterlife, then this life is it...better make the world a more pleasant place to be by being nice to people eh?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

If there's no afterlife, then this life is it...better make the world a more pleasant place to be by being nice to people eh?

Why on earth would you think that other people's definition of a "more pleasant place" would be the same as yours?

How can you discount the people who feel the world would be a more pleasant place if it were all about me, if I had more money, if I had more power, if you did what I wanted? There are quite a lot of them, you know.

DanaC · 07-19-2007, 05:29 PM

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Why on earth would you think that other people's definition of a "more pleasant place" would be the same as yours?

I don't. Nothing in my post suggests that I do. I was positing a rationale for not being a jerk, which does not require the existence of an afterlife to inspire it (as per UG's post).

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2007, 05:39 PM

You said, "better make the world a more pleasant place to be by being nice to people eh?"
I'm saying that there are a whole lot of people that would not agree that's the way to make the world more pleasant, whether they be religious or not.

Happy Monkey · 07-19-2007, 06:05 PM

The fact that there's a rationale for not being a jerk doesn't require anyone to act on it.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2007, 06:19 PM

Or even agree with it.

DanaC · 07-19-2007, 06:27 PM

Who's requiring anybody to act on/believe anything? I'm just giving what I consider a rationale for not being a jerk. It's a fairly flippant rationale, granted.

Rexmons · 07-19-2007, 08:20 PM

so because 3 out of 1,300,000,000 say something against their own religion, that you want to hear, they must be right. by that logic Christians must all be child raping bigots.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2007, 08:24 PM

No, we want to hear they can say something, without being murdered.

07-17-2007, 06:33 PM	#1
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	the music of the spheres, man! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-17-2007, 10:56 PM	#2
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	yes, women would, and have, fought for religious rights. But I don't think they've been involved much in the decision making of the Muslim heirarchy. the Muslin heirarchy, perhaps. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-18-2007, 12:29 AM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, you're not. Whether belief makes someone behave in a certain way has no relationship with whether it is true or not. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-18-2007, 12:52 AM	#4
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	You haven't tried yet, I see. Quit dicking around. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-19-2007, 05:39 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You said, "better make the world a more pleasant place to be by being nice to people eh?" I'm saying that there are a whole lot of people that would not agree that's the way to make the world more pleasant, whether they be religious or not. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-18-2007, 01:20 PM	#6
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	What? No Santa??? Are you serious??

07-19-2007, 02:18 PM	#7
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	In my experience, those who don't believe in an afterlife are no more inclined to act like a jerk than those who do.....if anything, marginally less. If there's no afterlife, then this life is it...better make the world a more pleasant place to be by being nice to people eh?

07-19-2007, 06:05 PM	#11
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The fact that there's a rationale for not being a jerk doesn't require anyone to act on it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-19-2007, 06:19 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Or even agree with it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-19-2007, 06:27 PM	#13
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Who's requiring anybody to act on/believe anything? I'm just giving what I consider a rationale for not being a jerk. It's a fairly flippant rationale, granted.

07-19-2007, 08:20 PM	#14
Rexmons - Kavkaz United - Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 613	so because 3 out of 1,300,000,000 say something against their own religion, that you want to hear, they must be right. by that logic Christians must all be child raping bigots. __________________ "Life's a bitch but God forbid the bitch divorce me..."

07-19-2007, 08:24 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No, we want to hear they can say something, without being murdered. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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