Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'

[DanaC]

Here's another warning: when we ship you back home, they might chop your cunt off.

Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

[Flint]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

Sorry, I should have said "ship you back where you belong" ...

[Cloud]

I personally think Islam was a flawed religion from the very beginning. Too many unworkable ideas, for example, their holy book can only be read in one language. The fact that it couldn't even survive their prophet's death without controversy, schism and bloodshed should have been a clue. The world is still paying for that schism today, and how.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Cloud

I personally think Islam was a flawed religion from the very beginning. Too many unworkable ideas, for example, their holy book can only be read in one language. The fact that it couldn't even survive their prophet's death without controversy, schism and bloodshed should have been a clue. The world is still paying for that schism today, and how.

I personally think Christianity was a flawed religion from the very beginning. Too many unworkable ideas, for example, *their holy book can only be read in one language. The fact that it couldn't even survive their saviour's death without controversy, schism and bloodshed should have been a clue. The world is still paying for that schism today, and how.

*ok so the bible is available in many languages, but you get my idea I'm sure.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Cloud

The fact that it couldn't even survive their prophet's death without controversy, schism and bloodshed should have been a clue.

Unlike, say, the Great Schism or the Protestant Reformation?

[Cloud]

yeah, but those splits happened a thousand years after the fact. Islam broke up immediately upon its proponent's death.

[Cloud]

I am not a fan of organized religion in general. I don't necessarily think your comparisons equate exactly as you have positioned them, but I won't insist on my idea. It was just a thought I had yesterday, listening to my podcast about cultural geography.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Cloud

It was just a thought I had yesterday, listening to my podcast about cultural geography.

. . . in which the point was made that the Qur'an is only the Qur'an in one language, Arabic. Sure, you can translate it, but it isn't the Qur'an then--it isn't a holy book in English or whatever. I was thinking, boy that's pretty shortsighted of them, and then I got to thinking about other things in Islam that seem not to make sense to me, and are unworkable. Like the present discussion about female health care workers.

Yes, you can find plenty of examples of dumb things in a lot of religions, including Christianity--I'm not saying you can't--but it's just my personal opinion that Islam has had a tough roe and inflexible rules from the start.

[deadbeater]

I'm not a fan of atheism either, especially when it propagates things such as human eugenics and worse.

[DanaC]

atheists aren't the only ones to propogate human eugenics. Plenty of theists have been ardent eugenicists.

[Aliantha]

I don't necessarily think your comparisons equate exactly as you have positioned them

I know they don't. But I don't think we can make sweeping statements about any religion and really be positioning the religion correctly...if you get what I mean. It's the old bad apple thing. Just because some people that belong to a particular group go psycho doesn't mean the rest should be judged for those actions.

[DanaC]

I don't think it's necessarily Islam that's inflexible. There are places and communities practising Islam in very different ways across the globe. Some communities have a much more secular approach to Islam, some are culturally more inclined towards greater parity between the sexes than others. The inflexibility comes in with the interpretation of Islam. Certain interpretations of Islam render it (to the western way of thinking) inflexible and less able to fit a 'modern' way of life.

There are interpretations of Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Judaism which, to my mind, seem inflexible and archaic in their precepts, including in their attitudes to females and homosexuality, dietary requirements, clothing requirements and so forth.

[Flint]

Oh, shame on our "western way of thinking" for pointing out obvious stupidity and barbarism when it rears it's ugly head.

[DanaC]

I think it was more the idea that Islam is somehow inherently and uniquely stupid and barbarous that I was objecting to Flint. Much of what appears to be 'Islam' is actually a culturally based interpretation of Islam and in no way universally accepted by the Islamic diaspora. Doesn't make it any less stupid and barbarous....just makes it less inherent to the actual religion.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I think it was more the idea that Islam is somehow inherently and uniquely stupid and barbarous that I was objecting to Flint. Much of what appears to be 'Islam' is actually a culturally based interpretation of Islam and in no way universally accepted by the Islamic diaspora. Doesn't make it any less stupid and barbarous....just makes it less inherent to the actual religion.

The "Islamic diaspora" is but a tiny minority of all people of the Islamic faith. It seems to me that many of the more radical elements apear to come from the educated middle or upper middle class of Islamic society.