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Old 07-02-2008, 03:26 AM   #31
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Problem is, it's not usually the first generation immigrants who are offended. They know to keep their heads down and try to assimilate/be invisible. It's the second and third generation who feel American and are American, but with a non-Christian familly culture. Are they so much less entitled than you in this "cultural melting pot", this land of immigration?
This is the same in Britain. It is rarely the first generation of immigrants that raise any protest. Their children however are brought up in a country where they are entitled to have their say and to the benefits that living in a reasonably affluent free thinking society affords. They are British, but the difference between their home and the street leads them to identify themselves as British Muslim (you almost never hear British Asian). So they are more vocal about their religion.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:39 AM   #32
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We have to tolerate them living in our society and accept as well as respect their beliefs, but they don't have to accept ours. Tell them to leave. Screw that. Everyone should do puppy commercials now.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:41 AM   #33
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This is the same in Britain. It is rarely the first generation of immigrants that raise any protest. Their children however are brought up in a country where they are entitled to have their say and to the benefits that living in a reasonably affluent free thinking society affords. They are British, but the difference between their home and the street leads them to identify themselves as British Muslim (you almost never hear British Asian). So they are more vocal about their religion.
key words, "where they {think} they are entitled". And that is the problem.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:24 AM   #34
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That is just ridiculous - no one should be offended at all. This is, to me a STFU issue.
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I suppose they will complain about the coming police dogs being on the streets.
Amen, brothers. Oh, sorry. I'm sure I offended some christians...and probably someone's brother.

Yep, it's a STFU to me, and my pic is beside the word liberal in the dictionary. FFS, it's an ad for a number that has a pic of a damn police dog.

I lost my police dog as he was rummaging through the waste of the Twin Towers looking for survivors and, failing those, the dead.

Poor pitiful people, having to look at a dog on a poster.
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:31 PM   #35
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Update: although all this nonsense started when a Muslim govt official suggested that there would be offense taken, apparently there was no actual offense taken.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2...11590817t0.asp

Several Muslims in Dundee, when asked about the postcard, said they would not take offense ("There is not a dog—it is just a picture"), and although they are not dog people they try not to make a big deal about it.

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Old 07-02-2008, 03:37 PM   #36
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the news story said there were complaints, though
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:01 PM   #37
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key words, "where they {think} they are entitled". And that is the problem.
Nope. If you are born and bred in Britain you are British and therefore entitled to have your say. I would like to believe it is the same in the US.

Re complaints etc. People often react on behalf of other people's sensibilities. I know there are things that are supposedly offensive to Christians that my parents shrug off as irrelevant. Like the chocolate crucifed Christ - my Mum made some comment about it not lasting past Easter Sunday in their house.

I genuinely believe (and it has been upheld by personal experience) that the majority of British Muslims are decent, reasonable and logical people. They know the rules of their own religion and can and do adapt it to Western life in the 21st century.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:09 PM   #38
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That's the point SG. No one is saying all muslims = bad bitchy people who deserve no respect. I am saying that the muslims who get in a tizzy and call the reporters and are oh so put upon by a picture of a dog, should just be ignored. quit giving them the attention they seek out. everyone is offended by something, that is life. it seems like we as a society are far too concerned about what offends muslims. seriously, tell them to shut the hell up, sit back down, and get on with life.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:07 PM   #39
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maybe they won't call the police because they're afraid they'll show up with a dog, though. hmm?

maybe it's an subtle evil plot to cut down on the amount of non-emergency calls.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:56 PM   #40
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:07 PM   #41
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LONDON: Muslim passengers may not be touched by sniffer dogs of the British Transport Police after complaints that the practice is against Islam. According to the religion, dogs are deemed to be spiritually “unclean”.
If they don't want to get touched by sniffer dogs looking for explosives, then they must stop killing innocent people and protecting those among them who plan to do more terrorism. Muslims have been blowing people up on the London public transport system. It is entirely within the rights for a sovereign nation to do what it can to reduce the chance of that happening again.

Everyone else in a country is expected to reduce their freedoms if it is required in times of need. Muslims who choose to live in the UK - or any other Western country - must be expected to do the same. If they have a problem with dogs touching them when it is necessary for the protection of others, they can STFU and deal with it or leave the country.

I'm pretty sure if we were living in Iran or Saudi Arabia and we objected to those parts of Sharia law that we found offensive such as their practice of beheading people, we would not be heeded. Why should we heed those who are offended by a PICTURE of a dog sitting in a hat? The picture of a dog isn't going to hurt anyone.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:58 PM   #42
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Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.
Can you say, Al Sharpton.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:59 AM   #43
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I'm pretty sure if we were living in Iran or Saudi Arabia and we objected to those parts of Sharia law that we found offensive such as their practice of beheading people, we would not be heeded.
Bold - mine - Upon first reading I thought this was a typo - then a poor choice of words - then... oh I just find it amusing now. Lets look at this for a second.

An American shows up in S.A. or wherever and complains about theirs laws. Think he might "be beheaded"?
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:28 PM   #44
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Reminds me of a news clip interviewing a witness to a fight:
"And then the Po-lice came and he departed them."
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Old 07-05-2008, 10:32 AM   #45
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Bold - mine - Upon first reading I thought this was a typo - then a poor choice of words - then... oh I just find it amusing now. Lets look at this for a second.

An American shows up in S.A. or wherever and complains about theirs laws. Think he might "be beheaded"?
I don't know...but I'm sure at least some Saudis would be bitchin' for the damn Merkin to assimilate already.

Gah, I always think of The Borg when I see that word.
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