I can't believe we're losing to these guys. Oh wait. We're not

[piercehawkeye45]

You did not address the point that when Rush Limbaugh played it, the attention level was not as great.

You say it is a double standard and reject the racist part, so I give you a very logical alternative and you ignore it. Why is that?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You did not address the point that when Rush Limbaugh played it, the attention level was not as great.

You say it is a double standard and reject the racist part, so I give you a very logical alternative and you ignore it. Why is that?

I absolutely disagree with most of anything that comes out of Rush's mouth. They are all wrong to do it. But you can't say that it is not all a form of hate speech.

[piercehawkeye45]

I think we are addressing two separate points. I am sticking to your double standard comment.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But yet people are getting their panties in a wad over it. I call it a double standard.

You are calling it a double standard because you believe hate speech is hate speech whether it is "fuck Bush" or "Barack the Magic Negro". I disagree with that but it isn't worth arguing over because I assume neither of us is going to budge on that issue.

So, I brought up the second aspect of why people are getting their panties in a bunch, the fact that it was said by a politician who wants to lead the Republican party. That counters your double standard argument because no anti-Bush statement was said by anyone of that stature in the Democratic party.

I will back up that claim by saying that the same reaction was not produced when Palin rally supporters shouted "kill Obama" or when Rush Limbaugh played the "Barack the Magic Negro" song. I was not accusing you of agreeing with Rush Limbaugh unlike tw.

So even though a racist comment, whether intention or not, will get more of reaction than "fuck Bush", the large reaction was produced by who actually said it, not the actual statement.

[Undertoad]

the same reaction was not produced when Palin rally supporters shouted "kill Obama"

Any reaction in the first place was reporters building their narrative. In a crowd of tens of thousands, isolated voices are not worthy of news or our attention.

If you disagree, I'll start pointing to comments sections of blogs of both the left and the right.

[Flint]

I saw Steely Dan and this drunk lady was yelling "WE LOVE YOU, MR. FAGEN!" and I didn't feel that way.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

the same reaction was not produced when Palin rally supporters shouted "kill Obama"

Any reaction in the first place was reporters building their narrative. In a crowd of tens of thousands, isolated voices are not worthy of news or our attention.

If you disagree, I'll start pointing to comments sections of blogs of both the left and the right.

Yes, that is why I am arguing that this "Barack the Magic Negro" thing is so big because a politician that wants to lead the Republican party said it, not because of the actual material.

I am responding to TheMercenary's argument that we have a double standard which was started with this article.

Gag-worthy: Bipartisan indignance over “Barack the Magic Negro” parody
By Michelle Malkin • December 29, 2008 01:16 PM Oh, give me a super-sized break.

Leftie ’60s leftover/songwriter Peter Yarrow at the Huffington Post fumes over the “Barack the Magic Negro” parody that has RNC candidate Chip Saltsman in hot water.

All of sudden — after eight years of “F**k Bush” bumper stickers and “Kill Bush” assassination chic and Bush-or-Chimp parodies — the left is concerned about insulting the office of the Presidency?

Now, they are concerned with protecting the dignity of the office and with forging “commong ground and mutual respect?”:

The reasons "assassinate Obama" and "assassinate Bush" did not make headline news is for the reasons we agree on. If a politician, especially a respectable one, said either of those, it would be a different story.

[Undertoad]

I see. true

[Undertoad]

And now that I've read the context of the song, it's not actually racist! And this is a bunch of turd-throwing, as per usual.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And now that I've read the context of the song, it's not actually racist! And this is a bunch of turd-throwing, as per usual.

Correct. It was sophmoric at best.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I think we are addressing two separate points. I am sticking to your double standard comment.

You are calling it a double standard because you believe hate speech is hate speech whether it is "fuck Bush" or "Barack the Magic Negro". I disagree with that but it isn't worth arguing over because I assume neither of us is going to budge on that issue.

So, I brought up the second aspect of why people are getting their panties in a bunch, the fact that it was said by a politician who wants to lead the Republican party. That counters your double standard argument because no anti-Bush statement was said by anyone of that stature in the Democratic party.

I will back up that claim by saying that the same reaction was not produced when Palin rally supporters shouted "kill Obama" or when Rush Limbaugh played the "Barack the Magic Negro" song. I was not accusing you of agreeing with Rush Limbaugh unlike tw.

So even though a racist comment, whether intention or not, will get more of reaction than "fuck Bush", the large reaction was produced by who actually said it, not the actual statement.

You keep harping that I somehow supported the negative comments made when Obama was running. I never supported any such comments. If anything I pointed out that turnbout was fair play and that people never got indignant about any such comments when made toward Bush.

[TheMercenary]

Oh this is great. To funny for words. The party is eating it's tail.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...m-of-bailouts/

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You keep harping that I somehow supported the negative comments made when Obama was running. I never supported any such comments. If anything I pointed out that turnbout was fair play and that people never got indignant about any such comments when made toward Bush.

What negative comment? I said you supported the article trying to make a point about a double standard which was debunked. I did not accuse you of anything outside that. Reread my post.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I suppose you're going deny sending me a PM saying Merc's Mother wears combat boots.

[TheMercenary]

#29 piercehawkeye45
First of all, do you remember the Palin rallies TheMercenary? There were assissination calls, there was "fuck Obama" statements, there were also completely racist actions as well. It did not start up a controversy nearly as much as this.

What planet were you on? There was a HUGE outcry and controversy, bigger than this.

#31 piercehawkeye45
You did not address the point that when Rush Limbaugh played it, the attention level was not as great.

#33 piercehawkeye45
I was not accusing you of agreeing with Rush Limbaugh unlike tw.

[DanaC]

Clearly when something like that is said/used by a frontline politician it's a little different to when its a rank and file party member, or constituent.

But...the outcry over the Palin rallies was huge. It filled UK news programmes, it was talked about on American chat shows and interview programmes, it sent ripples through the world. This hasn't. Not really.

At the time, Merc was again arguing the double standard because of a Palin dummy that someone hung on halloween night. He is consistent. I disagree with his perspective on this, but his point is consistent and drawn from evidence here and in the world.

These boards are full of anti-Bush and anti-Republican rhetoric. I happen to agree with it, and personally believe it is a better founded 'anti-' than the anti-Democratic, anti-Liberal rhetoric that also abounds here. We see the patterns that we discern from the mass, and that discernment is founded upon our own interests and proclivities. Consequently, we intermittently have dwellars convinced the Cellar is anti-atheist, anti-religion, anti-American, anti-European, anti-Bush, anti-Obama, anti- X, Y and Z.

It is all of those things and none of them.