Will Soldiers Have to Use Private Ins? - Page 3

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Plus, it has the amusing benefit of getting Republicans to cry out in support of socialized medicine.

Nice try. They are treated as separate groups. There is no way you can equate the contract soldiers make to the US government to the masses of non-soldiers requiring health care.

classicman · 03-20-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They came up with an idea, threw it out there, listened to the people who would be affected as to the reasons why they felt it was unfair, and decided it was a bad idea. Isn't that the way it should work?

Absolutely Yes- This was a huge plus for Obama. He did EXACTLY as he should have. I hope it doesn't get buried with all the other crap thats out there right now.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

There is no way you can equate the contract soldiers make to the US government to the masses of non-soldiers requiring health care.

I didn't. I just thought it was amusing that the Republicans thought that a move making a socialized medical plan more like the plan the rest of us have would be a bad thing for the veterans.

I mean, it obviously would be, but it's fun to see the Republicans admit it.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I didn't. I just thought it was amusing that the Republicans thought that a move making a socialized medical plan more like the plan the rest of us have would be a bad thing for the veterans.

I mean, it obviously would be, but it's fun to see the Republicans admit it.

You can't compare apples and oranges. Soldiers do something for their health insurance. The rest do not.

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Nice try. They are treated as separate groups. There is no way you can equate the contract soldiers make to the US government to the masses of non-soldiers requiring health care.

Here's the rub, EVERYONE should get EQUAL care and benefits, IMO. I know some veteran's hospitals are way underfunded, my roommate in LA used to work at the VA hospital there. I think it's atrocious the way vets have been treated in this country with regard to their care after they've gone and fought and put their lives on the line. In some cases, the government completely denies there is anything wrong with them (Gulf War Syndrome). They should have the exact same care the president gets. And I believe everyone in this country should have access to that same care. But that's just me...

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

And I believe everyone in this country should have access to that same care. But that's just me...

Well in a perfect world that would be the case. In ours it is not.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 01:22 PM

They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship. It is funny to watch people try to compare groups who do nothing and expect the goverment to give them free handouts to people who have a contract to give their life away for periods of years and say they are somehow the same.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship.

Is it? Is the VA actually in the contract, or is it legislatively mandated that veterans get in the VA? I don't know, but either way the distinction isn't particularly relevant. I wasn't using "reward" in a sense that is incompatible with a contractual relationship; I was using it in the sense of being a good thing provided in return for another good thing, which certainly can apply to a contract.

What I am drawing attention to is that this has forced the Republicans to tout socialized medicine as a good thing. Instead of saying how bad socialized medicine is, they have to say that the rest of us don't deserve it.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

What I am drawing attention to is that this has forced the Republicans to tout socialized medicine as a good thing. Instead of saying how bad socialized medicine is, they have to say that the rest of us don't deserve it.

Well what I am drawing attention to is that health care received by soldiers is not socialized medicine. Where socialized medicine that the Republickins bitch about is provided by government to anyone, because they breath. Not because they have a contractual relationship, like soldiers, but because they don't have to do anything to get it and in many cases pay nothing into the system who gives it to them. Apples and oranges. No comparison.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You can't compare apples and oranges.

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Apples and oranges. No comparison.

Apples and oranges: a comparison.

Like I said, you have to go with "everyone else doesn't deserve it", rather than "the Government can't do it well".

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well what I am drawing attention to is that health care received by soldiers is not socialized medicine. Where socialized medicine that the Republickins bitch about is provided by government to anyone, because they breath. Not because they have a contractual relationship, like soldiers, but because they don't have to do anything to get it and in many cases pay nothing into the system who gives it to them. Apples and oranges. No comparison.

If it is run by the government and financed with taxes, it is socialized.

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship. It is funny to watch people try to compare groups who do nothing and expect the goverment to give them free handouts to people who have a contract to give their life away for periods of years and say they are somehow the same.

Sorry, but a lot of people who don't have health insurance work their ASSES OFF for increasingly diminished pay, and they pay taxes, in many cases paying MORE TAXES than rich people. Socialized health care is NOT FREE. It's paid for with taxes. I'm sick of people like you claiming somehow people who pay taxes don't deserve health care because it would be free, when it wouldn't be.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Sorry, but a lot of people who don't have health insurance work their ASSES OFF for increasingly diminished pay, and they pay taxes, in many cases paying MORE TAXES than rich people. Socialized health care is NOT FREE. It's paid for with taxes. I'm sick of people like you claiming somehow people who pay taxes don't deserve health care because it would be free, when it wouldn't be.

Sure it would be free to many if not most who would get it, esp under the Obama plan, from what we can see. The taxes are federal income taxes and those are not paid for by the lower end of the earning spectrum. We have been through this before. Don't confuse taxes you pay for stuff you buy or services you receive and federal income taxes. Federal taxes do not come from stuff you buy. We are talking about a federal program of health care. Just because you work your ass off for McDonalds does not promise you get anything.

Shawnee123 · 03-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

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