Mar 22, 2009: EDAR - Page 3

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 09:10 AM

WOW. Some very harsh Merkin opinions here.
Two countries divided by a gulf of immense proportions.

Yes, $500 is a LOT.
But for goodness sake, these are PEOPLE we are talking about. Sentient cratures? You know? Dogs & whales & cows & all that shite... No, people. Your States don't like them killed by abortion, but is happy for them to die of hypothermia?

Sheesh.
Get a school to sponsor a hobo.
Buy them a $500 shelter. Keep them in the drug of their choice. After all, humans are so important. Oh, I forgot, some of your States like to kill them too.

PS - we're rubbish re the homeless too, so I'm not trying to take the moral highground. But at least we have the Big Issue

lumberjim · 03-23-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

WOW. Some very harsh Merkin opinions here.
Two countries divided by a gulf of immense proportions.

Yes, $500 is a LOT.
But for goodness sake, these are PEOPLE we are talking about. Sentient cratures? You know? Dogs & whales & cows & all that shite... No, people. Your States don't like them killed by abortion, but is happy for them to die of hypothermia?

Sheesh.
Get a school to sponsor a hobo.
Buy them a $500 shelter. Keep them in the drug of their choice. After all, humans are so important. Oh, I forgot, some of your States like to kill them too.

PS - we're rubbish re the homeless too, so I'm not trying to take the moral highground. But at least we have the Big Issue

the issue i have with it is not the idea of providing tents....my issue is that there is clearly $450 of profit margin in each tent for the jerkoff in the suit and the people he has to bribe to get this through.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-23-2009, 09:52 AM

Wait a minute, he's not making $450, he's not making anything. He's paying the $500 and giving them away. Why do you have a problem with Peter Samuelson, Jim???

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

...But for goodness sake, these are PEOPLE we are talking about. Sentient cratures? You know? Dogs & whales & cows & all that shite... No, people. Your States don't like them killed by abortion, but is happy for them to die of hypothermia?

Now you're on the trolley

lumberjim · 03-23-2009, 10:00 AM

he's paying the $500?

personally?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-23-2009, 10:09 AM

So far he's paid a hell of a lot more than that to get this designed and built. He said made in quantity, they could be made for less than $500. I don't think he intends to keep buying them, that's what the charity will do, he just got it off the ground.

I don't see where he's making any money on this deal, or any of the other charities he's started, which is why I wanted to know why you wanted to break his kneecaps? If you actually know he's been screwing somebody, fill us in.

lumberjim · 03-23-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So far he's paid a hell of a lot more than that to get this designed and built. He said made in quantity, they could be made for less than $500. I don't think he intends to keep buying them, that's what the charity will do, he just got it off the ground.

I don't see where he's making any money on this deal, or any of the other charities he's started, which is why I wanted to know why you wanted to break his kneecaps? If you actually know he's been screwing somebody, fill us in.

i don't

i'm just jaded and assume that there is something in it for him. something big and green.

i might be out of line entirely. and of course, i would never actually cause physical harm to another human being.....I was just being dramatic.....and I may have been a bit tipsy when i posted that......

but usually.....when a person is doing a 'charitable' work....they are giving something more than the minimum required to that charity in order to qualify......and while the organization may be 'non profit'.....dude is pulling a paycheck that makes it well worth his time......

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 10:11 AM

I'm off my trolley.
(may be a Brit phrase)

rotary65 · 03-23-2009, 10:18 AM

It is unfortunate that we would judge someone and question their motives so quickly on the basis of a $500 pricetag and comparison shopping pricing from Walmart (the benchmark importer of cheaply made Chinese products - an organization associated with negative social impacts and questionable ethics itself).

Surely further investigation and fact finding is warranted before coming to any conclusion, especially one so harsh.

In the absence of such information, perhaps we can give the benefit of the doubt and not question Mr. Samuelson's motives so harshly and publicly.

I did follow a few links and check out some pages (for example, Wikipedia has an entry for Mr. Samuelson) and found nothing so far that would decribe him as an opportunist or exploiter; quite the contrary.

Judge no man without first trying to walk in his shoes.

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotary65

Surely further investigation and fact finding is warranted before coming to any conclusion, especially one so harsh.

In the absence of such information, perhaps we can give the benefit of the doubt and not question Mr. Samuelson's motives so harshly and publicly.

Say, friend. You're new around these parts, ain't you?

lumberjim · 03-23-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotary65

It is unfortunate that we would judge someone and question their motives so quickly on the basis of a $500 pricetag and comparison shopping pricing from Walmart (the benchmark importer of cheaply made Chinese products - an organization associated with negative social impacts and questionable ethics itself).

Surely further investigation and fact finding is warranted before coming to any conclusion, especially one so harsh.

In the absence of such information, perhaps we can give the benefit of the doubt and not question Mr. Samuelson's motives so harshly and publicly.

I did follow a few links and check out some pages (for example, Wikipedia has an entry for Mr. Samuelson) and found nothing so far that would decribe him as an opportunist or exploiter; quite the contrary.

Judge no man without first trying to walk in his shoes.

YES YES

sure sure

all that is quite right. It just doesn't fit well with my own particular idiom.

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 10:19 AM

I was chanelling a Simpson's episode there, sundae. It's an old-timey way of saying "you're right about that" -

Spud, a young carnie, was teaching Bart the art of attracting customers to a rigged carnival game. He called the targets 'pigeons' and 'rubes' - all that stuff...had to be there...

my mind is just a big simpson-y recepticle...sigh.

Sundae · 03-23-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

I was chanelling a Simpson's episode there, sundae. It's an old-timey way of saying "you're right about that"

Soz, chick. It wasn't aimed at anyone specific.

But I was riled.

People in this country have problems with the homeless (read the Hate Mail or my 'rents fave The Express) but "Sometimes our best intentions do not go
amiss; sometimes we do as we meant to" (Sometimes, Sheenagh Pugh). What she writes is true for me - I'd like to think that most of us DO make an effort.

It hurts me when people I care about, people I revere, make statements that I can't countenance. Statements that dismiss other people as just nothing. I am an atheist. I don't believe in a soul. But oddly, I seem to place more value in a human life than some Dwellars who think they will live forever. I certainly seem to place more immportance in human life then many Christians I know. And I'm happy to debate this (in a different thread).

Sorry, I am being a witch here. But I do believe it.

rotary65 · 03-23-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

You're new around these parts, ain't you?

Lurking for a long time and read something that moved me enough to reply. A bit of an appeal for respect and compassion really.

Please forgive my intrusion if I am out of touch with spirit of the larger Cellar community. If so, I will withdraw back into the shadows.

For reference, Wikipedia defines Mr. Samuelson as a Social Entrepreneur. Their defintion of that term may help provide a context.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-23-2009, 10:42 AM

You're right rotary65, I did a lot of Googling on Mr Samuelson and couldn't find anything negative. He's on the boards of a number of charities which are accredited by the BBB Wise Giving Alliance. In order to be accredited the board members can not be compensated, as I understand it.
Mr Samuelson could be the Devil himself, but I haven't found anything. Maybe Sheldon could shed some light on it?

btw, I tried to post another IOtD last night but fucking Comcast was fucking down fucking again, but now I'll let this one play awhile.

03-23-2009, 09:10 AM	#1
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	WOW. Some very harsh Merkin opinions here. Two countries divided by a gulf of immense proportions. Yes, $500 is a LOT. But for goodness sake, these are PEOPLE we are talking about. Sentient cratures? You know? Dogs & whales & cows & all that shite... No, people. Your States don't like them killed by abortion, but is happy for them to die of hypothermia? Sheesh. Get a school to sponsor a hobo. Buy them a $500 shelter. Keep them in the drug of their choice. After all, humans are so important. Oh, I forgot, some of your States like to kill them too. PS - we're rubbish re the homeless too, so I'm not trying to take the moral highground. But at least we have the Big Issue __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-23-2009, 09:52 AM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Wait a minute, he's not making $450, he's not making anything. He's paying the $500 and giving them away. Why do you have a problem with Peter Samuelson, Jim??? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-23-2009, 10:00 AM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	he's paying the $500? personally? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-23-2009, 10:09 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So far he's paid a hell of a lot more than that to get this designed and built. He said made in quantity, they could be made for less than $500. I don't think he intends to keep buying them, that's what the charity will do, he just got it off the ground. I don't see where he's making any money on this deal, or any of the other charities he's started, which is why I wanted to know why you wanted to break his kneecaps? If you actually know he's been screwing somebody, fill us in. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-23-2009, 10:11 AM	#8
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I'm off my trolley. (may be a Brit phrase) __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-23-2009, 10:18 AM	#9
rotary65 Rapscallion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5	It is unfortunate that we would judge someone and question their motives so quickly on the basis of a $500 pricetag and comparison shopping pricing from Walmart (the benchmark importer of cheaply made Chinese products - an organization associated with negative social impacts and questionable ethics itself). Surely further investigation and fact finding is warranted before coming to any conclusion, especially one so harsh. In the absence of such information, perhaps we can give the benefit of the doubt and not question Mr. Samuelson's motives so harshly and publicly. I did follow a few links and check out some pages (for example, Wikipedia has an entry for Mr. Samuelson) and found nothing so far that would decribe him as an opportunist or exploiter; quite the contrary. Judge no man without first trying to walk in his shoes.

03-23-2009, 10:19 AM	#12
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I was chanelling a Simpson's episode there, sundae. It's an old-timey way of saying "you're right about that" - Spud, a young carnie, was teaching Bart the art of attracting customers to a rigged carnival game. He called the targets 'pigeons' and 'rubes' - all that stuff...had to be there... my mind is just a big simpson-y recepticle...sigh. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-23-2009, 10:42 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're right rotary65, I did a lot of Googling on Mr Samuelson and couldn't find anything negative. He's on the boards of a number of charities which are accredited by the BBB Wise Giving Alliance. In order to be accredited the board members can not be compensated, as I understand it. Mr Samuelson could be the Devil himself, but I haven't found anything. Maybe Sheldon could shed some light on it? btw, I tried to post another IOtD last night but fucking Comcast was fucking down fucking again, but now I'll let this one play awhile. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 03-23-2009 at 10:49 AM.

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