Teach your kids sex ed early - Page 3

Aliantha · 08-13-2009, 11:02 PM

You know what. I found out the other day that my 12 year old has been masturbating. It was accidental while I was looking for something on his computer. lol

I knew it probably had been happening, but I really just didn't need to read about it.

ZenGum · 08-14-2009, 05:33 AM

..and I would say he doesn't need to write about it.

Just do it, ya know

Undertoad · 08-14-2009, 06:56 AM

At age 12 it's only abnormal if he doesn't do it twice a day.

TheMercenary · 08-14-2009, 08:57 AM

Pierce, you have to keep her article in the context of her own background and demographic. She is an educated black woman who grew up in Savannah, a majority black town. She is often speaking to her base and to those she know will listen to her. I believe her message is on target.

piercehawkeye45 · 08-14-2009, 12:43 PM

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Pierce, you have to keep her article in the context of her own background and demographic. She is an educated black woman who grew up in Savannah, a majority black town. She is often speaking to her base and to those she know will listen to her. I believe her message is on target.

I'm with Sundae Girl on this one. First, I do believe that her religous background and beliefs about sex are giving her an inconsistent view on the heath of the school. I have said it numerous times, STDs are a social issue and schools should deal with the problem. When everyone was talking about the swine flu, entire schools did everything they could to prevent the spread of it and I don't see why schools shouldn't act the same with STDs.

Second, I believe her entire article is based off a strawman. She states that schools should focus on the three As and not the three Ps. By saying this, she is making the assumption that schools can not put adequate focus on both topics, which I believe is strongly untrue because my school did just that. I agree were her fully that schools should get back to the 3 As, especially in lower income black areas, but using the 3 Ps as a scapegoat is heavily flawed in my opinion.

If she is preaching to her crowd, fine, I disagree with it but it is their decision in the end. And hell, maybe she has some insight that I do not in her community.

Also, looking at the article again, I agree with most of her body statements, which explains her stance. I disagree with the summarized message but I agree that when it comes down to STDs, just like swine flu, both the parents and schools should be notified.

morethanpretty · 08-14-2009, 06:07 PM

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I agree that when it comes down to STDs, just like swine flu, both the parents and schools should be notified.

I have to partially disagree with that last part. Its much less unlikely that an abusive parent will beat their child for swine flu, but for having sex, sure would. I think it would depend on the age of the child and the specific circumstances on whether notifying the parent is a good idea. There is no good way to make a rule that would treat each child (by child i mean <18) according to special circumstances. In addition to that a child might decide to falsely accuse another of rape in order to cover for their medical condition and to keep themselves from getting into trouble for their own action. Maybe a good solution would be to give the child (if the have positive test) the option of talking to social services, or going straight to their parents.
I do think sex ed, free STD testing, pregnancy testing, and counseling in schools are all great ideas. Now, hows it gonna get paid for?

morethanpretty · 08-14-2009, 06:24 PM

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Pierce, you have to keep her article in the context of her own background and demographic. She is an educated black woman who grew up in Savannah, a majority black town. She is often speaking to her base and to those she know will listen to her. I believe her message is on target.

That only makes it worse, African American women count for about 60% of women with AIDS. Overall about half of those diagnosed with AIDS are African American. I had trouble finding exact information (ok I got tired of looking) but I believe African Americans also have the highest rate of teen pregnancy. Someone less lazy than me can contradict me.
Shouldn't numbers like this make any educated person want to be pro-active about reducing them through any means?

TheMercenary · 08-14-2009, 08:49 PM

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Shouldn't numbers like this make any educated person want to be pro-active about reducing them through any means?

Oh, and I do, which is why I posted it.

Pie · 08-14-2009, 09:48 PM

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Oh, and I do, which is why I posted it.

So Merc, what do you think of the article author's thesis?

TheMercenary · 08-15-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

So Merc, what do you think of the article author's thesis?

Be more specific.

Sundae · 08-14-2009, 11:26 AM

Pierce, I wasn't offended. I just feel that sometimes there's an "us and them" situation re younger people and stupid behaviour. You're holding your hands up, and that's what I was doing too.

Merc - I think that makes it worse.
She is ANTI testing of teens and yet she's an educated woman?
I sort-of get parents who are anti-sex (like it works?!), anti-contraception or anti-abortion. Although I don't agree with them. And it tends to come from a religious issue. Which I completely don't agree with - don't let your kids fuck their lives up because of a magic book. But I know my view is not a mainstream one.

But I don't get parents who are anti-reality. I think another Dwellar has already said this, but would she (the author of the article) be the same if it was lupus or sickle cell anaemia? No of course not! And why? Oh because the children with STDs are already guilty. Written off, I guess. And no, she didn't write that - but she extrapolates in her article, so I'm just joining the party

Clodfobble · 08-14-2009, 05:53 PM

When I was in 8th grade, they brought a guy from the health department, and he showed us medical slides of people who had STDs. Full-on shots of rotting genitalia. That scared the bejeesus out of quite a few teenagers that day, I promise you.

Shawnee123 · 08-14-2009, 10:23 PM

What ees thees theeng you call the secks?

08-24-2009, 02:53 AM

Hi,

Sex education is a topic of great importance. So sex education is not just about our kids, it's educating a society to a new way of being and relating, to new, healthy attitudes about ourselves, other people, our world.

______________________

Pie · 08-24-2009, 10:55 AM

The folks in question would disagree with you on the 'healthiness' of these new attitudes, Nicholas. Wherefore these problems.

BTW, welcome!

08-13-2009, 11:02 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You know what. I found out the other day that my 12 year old has been masturbating. It was accidental while I was looking for something on his computer. lol I knew it probably had been happening, but I really just didn't need to read about it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-14-2009, 05:33 AM	#2
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	..and I would say he doesn't need to write about it. Just do it, ya know __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

08-14-2009, 08:57 AM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Pierce, you have to keep her article in the context of her own background and demographic. She is an educated black woman who grew up in Savannah, a majority black town. She is often speaking to her base and to those she know will listen to her. I believe her message is on target. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-14-2009, 11:26 AM	#11
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Pierce, I wasn't offended. I just feel that sometimes there's an "us and them" situation re younger people and stupid behaviour. You're holding your hands up, and that's what I was doing too. Merc - I think that makes it worse. She is ANTI testing of teens and yet she's an educated woman? I sort-of get parents who are anti-sex (like it works?!), anti-contraception or anti-abortion. Although I don't agree with them. And it *tends to come from* a religious issue. Which I completely don't agree with - don't let your kids fuck their lives up because of a magic book. But I know my view is not a mainstream one. But I don't get parents who are anti-reality. I think another Dwellar has already said this, but would she (the author of the article) be the same if it was lupus or sickle cell anaemia? No of course not! And why? Oh because the children with STDs are already guilty. Written off, I guess. And no, she didn't write that - but she extrapolates in her article, so I'm just joining the party __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

08-14-2009, 05:53 PM	#12
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	When I was in 8th grade, they brought a guy from the health department, and he showed us medical slides of people who had STDs. Full-on shots of rotting genitalia. That scared the bejeesus out of quite a few teenagers that day, I promise you. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-14-2009, 06:56 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	At age 12 it's only abnormal if he doesn't do it twice a day.

08-14-2009, 10:23 PM	#13
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	What ees thees theeng you call the secks? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-24-2009, 02:53 AM	#14
Nicholas Guest Posts: n/a	Hi, Sex education is a topic of great importance. So sex education is not just about our kids, it's educating a society to a new way of being and relating, to new, healthy attitudes about ourselves, other people, our world. ______________________

08-24-2009, 10:55 AM	#15
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The folks in question would disagree with you on the 'healthiness' of these new attitudes, Nicholas. Wherefore these problems. BTW, welcome! __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

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