Fort Hood stuff is happening! - Page 3

Griff · 11-08-2009, 06:54 AM

Pete's company developed some serious tech for vehicle searches. I don't know if or how it has been implemented but you may have been scanned much deeper than you realize.

TheMercenary · 11-08-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh, I was wondering why they waited for civilian police to take this asshole down.

Due to the frequency of deployments almost all of the police duties of world wide posts has been taken over by private contractors.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2009, 09:59 AM

I always thought they had a contingent of MPs at each base, to handle order, if not security. But I'm surprised, I'm surprised, at them contracting that out, considering they've contracted everything else.

Cloud · 11-08-2009, 09:57 AM

Whole thing is further proof (to me, anyway) that the evils of organized religion far outweigh the benefits.

jinx · 11-08-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

Whole thing is further proof (to me, anyway) that the evils of organized religion far outweigh the benefits.

What do you about it though?

TheMercenary · 11-08-2009, 10:44 AM

They all have MP's but many of them are deployed trying to teach the IP's of our two war front how to police their own countries.

Cloud · 11-08-2009, 11:03 AM

The only thing I, personally can do, is not participate, and refuse to support it. (thinks) . . . okay, and contribute to causes and social wellbeing for its own sake, and not for the sake of a religion

regular.joe · 11-08-2009, 05:57 PM

Thre are at least a couple of hundred thousand people working anonymously around the glob right now, this moment, fom religious organizations, religious affilitated organizations, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, of all sects and denominations.

One guy is crazy, conecting his religious beliefs with his insane actions....and that negates all the hard work of the religious? Or a less then 1-2% representation of a given relgious body takes violent action in the world, and that negates the millions upon millions of other people actually following the doctrines?

I'm not saying we should be religious, hell, I'm not. I'm saying that to condemn religion based on this guy, and others like him, is not fair to the good work done by religion in the world. It is in my not so humble opinion a very narrow view.

jinx · 11-08-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

Thre are at least a couple of hundred thousand people working anonymously around the glob right now, this moment, fom religious organizations, religious affilitated organizations, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, of all sects and denominations.

But aren't these organization and their works done for the purpose of proselytizing and recruitment of the neediest and most vulnerable? Recruitment which leads to greater numbers and thus, greater influence, which makes it easier to promote an agenda?

Cloud · 11-08-2009, 06:02 PM

further proof, not sole proof. How about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Jewish Holocaust, the Bosnian genocide, just to name a few instances off the top of my head. Not to mention the continued subjugation of women in the name of all religions, the recent occurrences of the Iraq-American who ran over his daughter because she was too Westernized, the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard by a religious nut, the sexual victimization of people by clergy who are in positions of authority, 9/11 . . . and on and on.

I've come to the conclusion that the evil that has been done in religions' name outweighs the good. It may be a narrow belief, but it's mine.

tw · 11-08-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

I've come to the conclusion that the evil that has been done in religions' name outweighs the good. It may be a narrow belief, but it's mine.

Religion is a relationship between you and your god. Religious institutions are only consultants. Organizations that can advise and assist.

The minute a religious organization says you will be damned if you do not do what we say, then that religious organization is corrupt. The minute any religion imposes their beliefs on anyone else, that religion is corrupt. America was founded by groups fleeing religious tyranny. And yet we still have even in America religions that would force on others their beliefs - as if America was supposed to be a Christian nation or a nation formed in the graces of god.

Once the Catholic Church would not impose their teachings on the US government. Now the pope orders Catholic law makers to impose church doctrine in American laws. Therefore we have a serious problem. American principles are under attack from the Catholic Church (and other religions).

What his religion is should never need be discussed. It is being discussed because we have a problem - even with his peers.

regular.joe · 11-08-2009, 07:08 PM

An agenda of feeding the needy? No, I don't thing that a churches agenda is to "target" the needy, because they are vulnerable, somehow tricking them into a life of faith and service to God. MWAHAHAHA!!! You are kidding right?

Not exactly where I thought this thread would go..but hey...it's interesting.

My point is this, it seems that many have done their home work on the genocide, and selfish works peice. Though, the Nazi regime, I don't think that was a religious body. Most people stop there, and never look into any good works accomplished or on what scale, and to what effect.

A small example: The International Council of Voluntary Agencies, based in Switzerland. There are 70 major charter members, commonly refered to around the world as Non Government Agencies. These 70 are among the largest NGO's operating in the world today. 22 of which are in thier title or openly affiliated or backed by religios bodies of varying faiths. Billions of private dollars poor into the third world through these agencies. India, Australia, Muslims, Christian, European...all trying to offset the huge amounts of misery in the world. It's a good thing.

jinx · 11-08-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

An agenda of feeding the needy? No, I don't thing that a churches agenda is to "target" the needy, because they are vulnerable, somehow tricking them into a life of faith and service to God. MWAHAHAHA!!! You are kidding right?

Nope, not kidding. I think most of the major religions are always looking for more members. I think they actively attempt to convert those that receive their charities. I think they use their numbers to promote political agendas... like banning gay marriage in CA for example.

Cloud · 11-08-2009, 07:10 PM

I think most individual religious do good works, in the name of their respective gods. It's mostly the institutions and hierarchies that are responsible for codifying and perpetrating hateful acts. And the "holy" books--don't get me started on those! I'm not saying that nothing good has come of organized religion--just that, looking at history, more bad things have resulted than good.

ah, sorry, I've derailed the thread. Didn't really mean to!

Cloud · 11-08-2009, 08:08 PM

it's clear to me that WE also bear some culpability in this guy's meltdown. He may have gone off the deep end, but part of the stressors (reportedly) were the bigotry, overt and subtle, that he experienced as a Muslim.

He is American, we are American, and there should no place in America for religious intolerance. I may not be a fan of organized religion, but I absolutely support the right of US citizens to worship as they please.

11-08-2009, 06:54 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Pete's company developed some serious tech for vehicle searches. I don't know if or how it has been implemented but you may have been scanned much deeper than you realize. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-08-2009, 09:59 AM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I always thought they had a contingent of MPs at each base, to handle order, if not security. But I'm surprised, I'm surprised, at them contracting that out, considering they've contracted everything else. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2009, 09:57 AM	#4
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Whole thing is further proof (to me, anyway) that the evils of organized religion far outweigh the benefits. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-08-2009, 10:44 AM	#6
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	They all have MP's but many of them are deployed trying to teach the IP's of our two war front how to police their own countries. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-08-2009, 11:03 AM	#7
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	The only thing I, personally can do, is not participate, and refuse to support it. (thinks) . . . okay, and contribute to causes and social wellbeing for its own sake, and not for the sake of a religion __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-08-2009, 05:57 PM	#8
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Thre are at least a couple of hundred thousand people working anonymously around the glob right now, this moment, fom religious organizations, religious affilitated organizations, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, of all sects and denominations. One guy is crazy, conecting his religious beliefs with his insane actions....and that negates all the hard work of the religious? Or a less then 1-2% representation of a given relgious body takes violent action in the world, and that negates the millions upon millions of other people actually following the doctrines? I'm not saying we should be religious, hell, I'm not. I'm saying that to condemn religion based on this guy, and others like him, is not fair to the good work done by religion in the world. It is in my not so humble opinion a very narrow view. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

11-08-2009, 06:02 PM	#10
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	further proof, not sole proof. How about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Jewish Holocaust, the Bosnian genocide, just to name a few instances off the top of my head. Not to mention the continued subjugation of women in the name of all religions, the recent occurrences of the Iraq-American who ran over his daughter because she was too Westernized, the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard by a religious nut, the sexual victimization of people by clergy who are in positions of authority, 9/11 . . . and on and on. I've come to the conclusion that the evil that has been done in religions' name outweighs the good. It may be a narrow belief, but it's mine. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-08-2009, 07:08 PM	#12
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	An agenda of feeding the needy? No, I don't thing that a churches agenda is to "target" the needy, because they are vulnerable, somehow tricking them into a life of faith and service to God. MWAHAHAHA!!! You are kidding right? Not exactly where I thought this thread would go..but hey...it's interesting. My point is this, it seems that many have done their home work on the genocide, and selfish works peice. Though, the Nazi regime, I don't think that was a religious body. Most people stop there, and never look into any good works accomplished or on what scale, and to what effect. A small example: The International Council of Voluntary Agencies, based in Switzerland. There are 70 major charter members, commonly refered to around the world as Non Government Agencies. These 70 are among the largest NGO's operating in the world today. 22 of which are in thier title or openly affiliated or backed by religios bodies of varying faiths. Billions of private dollars poor into the third world through these agencies. India, Australia, Muslims, Christian, European...all trying to offset the huge amounts of misery in the world. It's a good thing. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

11-08-2009, 07:10 PM	#14
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I think most individual religious do good works, in the name of their respective gods. It's mostly the institutions and hierarchies that are responsible for codifying and perpetrating hateful acts. And the "holy" books--don't get me started on those! I'm not saying that nothing good has come of organized religion--just that, looking at history, more bad things have resulted than good. ah, sorry, I've derailed the thread. Didn't really mean to! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-08-2009, 08:08 PM	#15
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	it's clear to me that WE also bear some culpability in this guy's meltdown. He may have gone off the deep end, but part of the stressors (reportedly) were the bigotry, overt and subtle, that he experienced as a Muslim. He is American, we are American, and there should no place in America for religious intolerance. I may not be a fan of organized religion, but I absolutely support the right of US citizens to worship as they please. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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