Bali baddie talks - Page 3

russotto · 10-23-2002, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Maggie i'm guessing Al Queda is involved but i doubt it Al Queda on thier own and i doubt JI had a major role. I hard the nitrate thing about half an hour ago, which is a signiture of Al Queda too.

ANFO is an Al Queda signature the way an "X" is a signature of the illiterate.

jaguar · 10-23-2002, 04:17 PM

Hint, possible sign etc. The whole thing has been extremely tight lipped since ASIS/ASIO moved in so getting any infomation has been fun, which is annoying the shit out of me becase i've got an exam i'm sure is going to invole this stuff one way or another.

tw · 10-23-2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by juju
Aw, dammit. I'm wrong again!!

Long ago (therefore I have no citation and do this from long term memory) was a study that noted how muscle fiber varied depending upon the Africa that a person came from. (BTW when I explained this to some people, they though I was being racist.) Some regions had diets and environments that encouraged strong muscle structure (west Africa?) - American football linemen. Others regions encourage muscle development that was lighter and could create a more sudden burst of energy (east Africa?) - running and defensive backs. Then you have the unique characteristic of those from Ethiopia where great endurance was necessary to survive - distance runners.

The point was that muscle development varied in different parts of Africa because of regional diet and what the environment demanded of its residents. Nothing racist about this. Classic study of genetics.

In that same line of research - many Caucasians are closer, genetically, to Africans than to other Caucasians. We tend to associate race with features such a skin color. Actually skin color has very little relationship to one's race - genetically speaking.

If skin color determines a person's race, then so does height - another feature based upon genetics.

tw · 10-23-2002, 07:18 PM

Was it Al Qaeda in Bali? Get out of the US and other potential bombers emerge. Megawati Sukarnoputri is a women. A women in a leadership role in an Islamic country is, by itself, enough to terrorize the public. Some news reports say the bomb contained C4 meaning a military connection. A retired Air Force officer was cited by some reports as confessing to making a bomb. Megawati is not popular with the military. Already there have been multiple assassination plots executed against Megawati. Anything to make the nation unstable would mean Megawati would be removed as, for example, being a weak woman. There are plenty of reasons for Indonesian political terrorists to have set multiple, simultaneous bombs including the one in Bali.

Long before 11 Sept, major oil companies had already shut down operations in Aesch because of Islamic terrorism - nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Local terrorists had even bombed the Jakarta stock exchange. However, in the US where international news is rarely reported, it is now easy to blame problems on Al Qaeda. It is the mindset of this American government that will next attempt to connect it all to Iraq. There is no reason at this point, other than speculation, to associate bombings in the Sari Club with Al Qaeda. In America, take such claims with extreme suspicion because of this current administration's needs to blame everything on Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Simultaneously with the Bali bomb was another bomb on the island of Sulawesi against the Phillippine consulate. Was Al Qaeda also attacking the Fillipinos - or are these bombs really a local militant operations as has been ongoing throughout SE Asia - such as by Jemaah Islamiah and its rumored leader - Abu Bakar?

Indonesia has openly ignored Islamic extremism in the belief that if not attacked, then religious terrorists would go elsewhere to attack. For example Islam Defenders Front had been attacking and ransacking bars and nightclubs without any police response. People sometimes have to die before a government is provided public support to respond. Previously Indonesians had publically supported those who oppose any crackdown on religious terrorists. Indonesia secretly handed two foreign terrorists to America without further investigation because of public opinion. Reportedly, Indonesia finally wants to talk to these people since all they currently have only what America reports.

It is now politically acceptable to investigate and arrest terrorist organizations. Previously, Indonesia had angered even its neighbors for inaction. Another Islamic group accused of attacking a Christian church, Lakar Jihad, is now reported to be disbanding - due to new Indonesian political atmosphere.

The Bali bombing was particularly destructive. Virtually every hotel in Kuta had guests who were killed or missing. Football teams from Perth, Syndney, Adelaide, the Gold Coast (Queensland), and Forbes (New South Wales) all celebrating the end of a season instead lost friends. But there is no reason to believe this is Al Qaeda.

After 11 September, noted here was that Aesch would be a fine place for Osama bin Laden to move. Even the strait between Indonesia's westernmost island and Malaysia is home to most of the world's pirates - who are quite active in highjacking or raiding this, one of the world's busiest sealanes. If neither Indonesia nor Malaysia can stop simple pirates, then imagine how ideal Aesch - the western most edge of the island - would be to Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. However, Al Qaeda appears not to be there. Even the Phillippines appears to be a more preferred base for Al Qaeda terrorists.

jaguar · 11-03-2002, 04:03 PM

Feeling vindicated: The currant suspects are not JI linked.

MaggieL · 11-03-2002, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by tw
Megawati Sukarnoputri is a women.

Wow. Is that MPD?

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
The currant suspects are not JI linked.

Maybe not, but they're still raisin hell.

jaguar · 11-04-2002, 04:40 PM

So? Even bloody ASIO (admitidly a bunch of incompatent hacks) have been blaming JI yet this was so not JI style. Talk about scapegoat.

MaggieL · 11-04-2002, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
So?

It's a joke. Currant....raisin...

Never mind.

Nic Name · 11-04-2002, 05:11 PM

Never mind.

What's that? Sour grapes?

Why always go against the currant?

11-04-2002, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by MaggieL
It's a joke. Currant....raisin...

Never mind.

I thought it was funny

jaguar · 11-04-2002, 05:31 PM

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact i didn't pick it up, the fact i spelt it that badly or the lameness of the joke.

elSicomoro · 11-04-2002, 05:35 PM

Raising Hell?

Nic Name · 11-04-2002, 05:37 PM

... or the fact that you spelled it incorrectly in the Current Events topic.

jaguar · 11-04-2002, 05:47 PM

:p

MaggieL · 11-04-2002, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
I'm not sure what's worse, the fact i didn't pick it up, the fact i spelt it that badly or the lameness of the joke.

I'd go for "not picking it up"; since this required you to overlook the spelling of both "currant" and "raisin".

It's weird...long about 1997 my ordinary dropped letter, transposed letter and mis-timed space bar errors (the ones thet glue letters on to the wrong word, like "Th equick brownf ox" for "The quick brown fox") were joined by a new failure mode: spellings that phonetically made sense but were utterly wrong. Occasionally there were inappropriate homophones (to/too/two right/write/wright/rite and so forth) but more often phonetically plausible but novel spellings of less ordinary words.

10-23-2002, 04:17 PM	#32
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Hint, possible sign etc. The whole thing has been extremely tight lipped since ASIS/ASIO moved in so getting any infomation has been fun, which is annoying the shit out of me becase i've got an exam i'm sure is going to invole this stuff one way or another. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-03-2002, 04:03 PM	#35
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Feeling vindicated: The currant suspects are not JI linked. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-04-2002, 04:40 PM	#37
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	So? Even bloody ASIO (admitidly a bunch of incompatent hacks) have been blaming JI yet this was so not JI style. Talk about scapegoat. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-04-2002, 05:31 PM	#41
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I'm not sure what's worse, the fact i didn't pick it up, the fact i spelt it that badly or the lameness of the joke. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-04-2002, 05:35 PM	#42
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Raising Hell? Attached Images

10-23-2002, 07:18 PM	#34
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Was it Al Qaeda in Bali? Get out of the US and other potential bombers emerge. Megawati Sukarnoputri is a women. A women in a leadership role in an Islamic country is, by itself, enough to terrorize the public. Some news reports say the bomb contained C4 meaning a military connection. A retired Air Force officer was cited by some reports as confessing to making a bomb. Megawati is not popular with the military. Already there have been multiple assassination plots executed against Megawati. Anything to make the nation unstable would mean Megawati would be removed as, for example, being a weak woman. There are plenty of reasons for Indonesian political terrorists to have set multiple, simultaneous bombs including the one in Bali. Long before 11 Sept, major oil companies had already shut down operations in Aesch because of Islamic terrorism - nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Local terrorists had even bombed the Jakarta stock exchange. However, in the US where international news is rarely reported, it is now easy to blame problems on Al Qaeda. It is the mindset of this American government that will next attempt to connect it all to Iraq. There is no reason at this point, other than speculation, to associate bombings in the Sari Club with Al Qaeda. In America, take such claims with extreme suspicion because of this current administration's needs to blame everything on Al Qaeda and Iraq. Simultaneously with the Bali bomb was another bomb on the island of Sulawesi against the Phillippine consulate. Was Al Qaeda also attacking the Fillipinos - or are these bombs really a local militant operations as has been ongoing throughout SE Asia - such as by Jemaah Islamiah and its rumored leader - Abu Bakar? Indonesia has openly ignored Islamic extremism in the belief that if not attacked, then religious terrorists would go elsewhere to attack. For example Islam Defenders Front had been attacking and ransacking bars and nightclubs without any police response. People sometimes have to die before a government is provided public support to respond. Previously Indonesians had publically supported those who oppose any crackdown on religious terrorists. Indonesia secretly handed two foreign terrorists to America without further investigation because of public opinion. Reportedly, Indonesia finally wants to talk to these people since all they currently have only what America reports. It is now politically acceptable to investigate and arrest terrorist organizations. Previously, Indonesia had angered even its neighbors for inaction. Another Islamic group accused of attacking a Christian church, Lakar Jihad, is now reported to be disbanding - due to new Indonesian political atmosphere. The Bali bombing was particularly destructive. Virtually every hotel in Kuta had guests who were killed or missing. Football teams from Perth, Syndney, Adelaide, the Gold Coast (Queensland), and Forbes (New South Wales) all celebrating the end of a season instead lost friends. But there is no reason to believe this is Al Qaeda. After 11 September, noted here was that Aesch would be a fine place for Osama bin Laden to move. Even the strait between Indonesia's westernmost island and Malaysia is home to most of the world's pirates - who are quite active in highjacking or raiding this, one of the world's busiest sealanes. If neither Indonesia nor Malaysia can stop simple pirates, then imagine how ideal Aesch - the western most edge of the island - would be to Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. However, Al Qaeda appears not to be there. Even the Phillippines appears to be a more preferred base for Al Qaeda terrorists.

11-04-2002, 05:11 PM	#39
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	Never mind. What's that? Sour grapes? Why always go against the currant?

11-04-2002, 05:37 PM	#43
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	... or the fact that you spelled it incorrectly in the Current Events topic.

11-04-2002, 05:47 PM	#44
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	:p __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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