Red Mapping

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Yeah, it's OK for tax payers to pay for golden parachutes for CEO's, OK for tax payers to pay billions if not trillions to cover the losses from corporate greed and outright fraud and theft by financial institutions. But if an ordinary citizen has to take a crap? God forbid that the tax payer spends so much as a dime on maintaining civic cleanliness and to protect the public health. I don't know where your priorities come from, but the term "reducto ad absurbiam" must have been coined especially for you.

If I make it up to Denver to take part in any of the protests there. I'll be sure to lay a turd in the nearest legislative punch bowl, just for you.

Yea, those Capaitolistic policies that made our country great just suck ass if they don't benefit you directly.... That is your message.

There is no "public health" issue, that is a total straw man argument, what crap. Is this where you cry?

Maybe you could just join this stupid fucker who has done a huge amount of public lobbying to make his point made and I think represents most of the dumb fucks who are protesting...

as he shits on a cop car on camera.... Well done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...OLICE-CAR.html

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, those Capaitolistic policies that made our country great just suck ass if they don't benefit you directly.... That is your message.

Well, now I understand one reason why your arguments are so often incoherent. You do not know the definition of capitalism as practiced (or as it is SUPPOSED to be practiced) in the United States:

Free market capitalism consists of a free-price system where supply and demand are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by the government. Productive enterprises are privately-owned, and the role of the state is limited to protecting property rights.

(Wikipedia)

Capitalism does not mean that the government distributes cash handouts to whichever corp can exert enough pressure on Congress. Even Ayn Rand understood that, for crying out loud, and she didn't understand much.

There is no "public health" issue, that is a total straw man argument, what crap. Is this where you cry?

You seem to have flunked science, in addition to civics. The problem is "crap." If you have people using alleys, parks and other public places to relieve themselves, you are encouraging the spread of disease, including such killers as cholera. Tax payers are better off installing a few porta potties.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Tax payers are better off installing a few porta potties.

Occupy's are currently costing taxpayers millions.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by classicman

Occupy's are currently costing taxpayers millions.

But bailouts cost hundreds of billions, and the interest on that is still accumulating.

How much is occupying Iraq still costing?

Given that the health of your government and nation is genuinely at stake, you shouldn't be arguing about a few hundred million for porta potties and police overtime.

How much do presidential candidates spend trying to get elected? Around a billion. Perspective, C-man.

ETA: umm, didn't mean this to sound hostile, Classic, but re-reading it, it might come across that way. So, like, peace, hugs and mung beans, dude.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

Occupy's are currently costing taxpayers millions.

The Constitution guarantees the right to free speech along with freedom of assembly. A few million dollars is a drop in the bucket for tax payers to make sure these freedoms are protected.

And what Zen said.

[classicman]

Thanks for making my point guys...

[Happy Monkey]

Most of those costs are unforced. Port-a-potties are much cheaper than mass arrests.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Capitalism does not mean that the government distributes cash handouts to whichever corp can exert enough pressure on Congress. Even Ayn Rand understood that, for crying out loud, and she didn't understand much.

Tax payers are better off installing a few porta potties.

Rand was the bomb. Atlas is shrugging. You funk politics. The local government at the point of protest has no responsibility to support the protesters with tax payer funds and they are costing the local governments millions of dollars.

"Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit, usually in competitive markets." Wiki.

Corps can make any amount of money and had it out to what ever organization they want. Government does not "hand out cash" to the corps. Or maybe you are trying to say that because the government gives a corp, like say GE, a tax break they are handing them money. That would be a big fail as well.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Rand was the bomb. Atlas is shrugging. You funk politics. The local government at the point of protest has no responsibility to support the protesters with tax payer funds and they are costing the local governments millions of dollars.

"Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit, usually in competitive markets." Wiki.

Corps can make any amount of money and had it out to what ever organization they want. Government does not "hand out cash" to the corps. Or maybe you are trying to say that because the government gives a corp, like say GE, a tax break they are handing them money. That would be a big fail as well.

I agree with your Wiki definition, but I was not talking about tax breaks in my reply. I was talking about the government and, by extension, the tax payer, handing out billions to mismanaged financial institutions to prevent them from failing. That is anything BUT capitalism.

I think Rand would be horrified by present day developments. At least her characters knew how to run a business and were described as honest. Two attributes lacking in many CEO's today.

[DanaC]

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs -

John Rogers

http://www.newappsblog.com/2011/04/g...-sullivan.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SamIam

I agree with your Wiki definition, but I was not talking about tax breaks in my reply. I was talking about the government and, by extension, the tax payer, handing out billions to mismanaged financial institutions to prevent them from failing. That is anything BUT capitalism.

Tell it to Obama and Bush, they crafted it. And that was in the past. Great to see all these protests over what happened 3 years ago. I have no doubt that Obama would do it again, like he, Pelosi, and Reid totally screwed this nation with his "stimulus".

I think Rand would be horrified by present day developments. At least her characters knew how to run a business and were described as honest. Two attributes lacking in many CEO's today.

I think Rand would be shaking her head in disbelief that the thought of the destruction of this countries infrastructure via the Obama and Bush administrations over regulation appears to be a precursor to what happened in Atlas Shrugged.

[DanaC]

Atlas isn't shrugging, he's choking. One wafer thin mint too many.

[TheMercenary]

Well we will see when they start to close down businesses and people lose more jobs because of the actions of this government.

[DanaC]

And because of their actions. They also have agency.

[TheMercenary]

So be it. But in the end stop blaming the job makers and start looking at the regulators, that is where the problem hides.