Ambassador Murdered

[glatt]

Apparently the Coptic Christian dude

explained that he was motivated because, “I’m tired of the radical Muslims running around killing everyone.”

How'd that work for ya, Coptic Dude?

[DanaC]

Fed wonderfully well into his world view and confirmed him in his own hatred, thankyouverymuch :P

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I know, I know.
Shucks.

But still. Like many oppressive regimes, they treat their women like complete and utter shite. Ok, so do a lot of Christians. But, hopefully, HOPEFULLY, Christians are merely raping children whilst Muslims are stoning women for the crime of them being raped. That's a lame attempt at levity that prolly didn't work but I tried.

Ok. I"m not being really fair here, I realize, but I just watched a goofy film one of my FB friends (my best pal from gradeschool) posted and it has inflamed my feelings about them as was intended by said film.

You know what is REALLY weird? This girl was my best bud in gradeschool and now that she's all grown up, she's one of those Apocalypse Babes who posts all kinds of stuff on FB about how the END is coming/near/nearly here/etc. I never woulda guessed her for that.

She DID smoke a boatload of pot in high school i heard...

Hey! I smoked a boatload of pot when I was that age (assuming you mean senior high = sixth form college here:p).

I know you know this stuff Tril. You're a good egg. And we're all entitled to be unfair or unreasonable sometimes :p

[footfootfoot]

I think the only reason Christian Fundamentalists aren't as deadly as Islamic Fundamentalists is because our legal system has checks in place against murder. If we had a Christian version of Sharia law there'd be a lot more Christian Soldiers marching Onward as to war...

With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Let's take metaphor and make it literal!

[Sundae]

You didn't live through The Troubles.
Not fundies, but rabid as frothing dogs all the same.

There were riots in Belfast this month over the routes of marches (link to BBC website)
Who do the Orangemen march in support of? Good King Billy.
That's William of Orange. He died in 1702.

I'm not beating a dead horse about Islam, I really appreciate the later posts people have made. I'm just beating my usual dead donkey-shaped pinata about the violence I grew up with.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm



Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink

Listened to a story about this on NPR on the way back from class just now. It's not online yet but will be soon.
Someone called the Associated Press and blamed the video on an Israeli-American, who turned out to not be a real person. The person who called turned out to be Nakoula, the filmmaker - who is on probation after serving two years for an $800,000 bank fraud. One of the terms of his probation was that he not use the Internet - but it was under his israeli-american pseudonym that he posted the video to youtube.
The video itself may not be prosecutable, but we can probably go after the guy on probation violation anyway...

[richlevy]

I didn't hear any of this about the filmmaker until driving home tonight. Surfing the stations I heard two conservative and/or religious station ranting about the attention being given to the filmmaker.

I initially agreed that he had the right to promote his views. If, however, he deliberately posed as an Israeli Jew with the intent to incite violence, then he should have the book thrown at him.

BTW, is it me or is Romney coming off looking bad in all this. He gets the facts wrong, mostly by rushing ahead to beat out the administration, and then pushes forward instead of acknowledging the error. Not a good combination. It's more likely to be a recipe for another 10 year, trillion dollar war.

Hardcore conservatives and pundits like Rush are defending him, but I think he lost points with independents.

[Ibby]

Al-Qaeda released a video the morning of Sept. 11, urging Islamists to attack America to avenge the drone-strike killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi (lit. of Libya). Every piece of reporting that's coming out is confirming that the attack on the consulate was an armed militant organization with a complex assault plan. Rachel Maddow started her show tonight (and is still talking about the connections and evidence, including part of an al-Jazeera report that included interviews with witnesses to the attack who say there was no PROTEST before the attack - just an attack!) explaining the evidence that the attack had little or nothing to do with the video sparking protests in Cairo and Yemen and elsewhere. When the video goes up on the MSNBC website around midnight I'll try to post it - the first fifteen minutes alone are absolutely revelatory.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

Did you bother to read the second paragraph?

Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this.

I kept it short and you still missed the point.

[Ibby]

I think I've managed to get a link to the relevant opening section of tonight's Rachel Maddow Show that highlights the Al-Qaeda/terrorist connections to Tuesday's attack on the Benghazi consulate. The highly-relevant story is only fifteen minutes or so, and well worth the watch, if you want to be highly informed to talk about the situation, I think.

Originally Posted by msnbc.com's autotext for email links to the story

Libya attack puts spotlight on Al Qaeda terror affiliates

Rachel Maddow describes the evidence that points to the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya as having been an organized terrorist attack, and shows how Al Qaeda affiliates and Al Qaeda-like terror groups have established themselves throughout Africa.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908...27233#49027233

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Ibby

I think I've managed to get a link to the relevant opening section of tonight's Rachel Maddow Show that highlights the Al-Qaeda/terrorist connections to Tuesday's attack on the Benghazi consulate. The highly-relevant story is only fifteen minutes or so, and well worth the watch, if you want to be highly informed to talk about the situation, I think.

I think I might have a particular level of interest in this story, considering that my mother works for the State Department and my dad works, as a Department of Defense civilian, closely with State Department personell at our overseas State Department missions, and that I plan to work for the State Department as a Foreign Service Officer as soon as I have my bachelor's degree. I'm closely associated with and highly interested in the State Department, and therefore, our State Dep't officers and their well-being. So, I'm trying to be as up-to-date and informed on this situation as possible - and since the Cellar is one of the places I am the most engaged on politics and current events, I want to share with you what I learn about their operations, especially when it becomes part of important American news and policy.
This attack was NOT a rowdy torch-and-pitchfork mob of angry Libyan civilians overrunning our state department mission (consulate) in Benghazi. this was an organized and planned terrorist/militant attack on (percieved) American imperialism and diplomacy by a terror-affiliated paramilitary organization. the attack on our Yemeni embassy, detailed later in the show (after the first fifteen minutes), which resulted in the destruction of Embassy property, vehicles, and defenses, but NOT loss of American life, is what happens when mobs attack our facilities abroad. It's deplorable, but not at all the same as the attack on the Benghazi consulate. Rachel is right to question the very notion that the Benghazi attack had ANYTHING to do with the shitty-ass, pathetic fifteen-minute youtube video that cities across the Muslim world are protesting.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Griff

Hmm... I may just have found God.

Wrong Pele.

[Griff]

He is the God of my youth, I'm mature enough to know that I strayed.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Griff

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254 Killed over a low budget movie, really?

Muslims take their independent film making seriously.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibby

This attack was NOT a rowdy torch-and-pitchfork mob of angry Libyan civilians overrunning our state department mission (consulate) in Benghazi. this was an organized and planned terrorist/militant attack on (perceived) American imperialism and diplomacy by a terror-affiliated paramilitary organization.

A Benghazi consulate attack was well coordinated and planned according to the NY Times. In particular was the second attack. Apparently the attackers had an inside informant. So they knew exactly when and where to attack the rescue convoy carrying American and Libyan personal.

Video from some hiding person may only be an excuse. A simultaneous and maybe unrelated event. The consulate attack occurred without any preceding demonstrations, according to interviews reported in the NY Times. The first attack was sudden and unexpected.