3/15/2003: Airport security's taken items - Page 3

juju · 03-18-2003, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by wolf
But they do provide a MUCH better, verified quote about taking arms away from the "subject races".

Feh! A pitiful attempt at backpedaling! Our country controls guns irrespective of race.

Just admit it: You fell headfirst into my trap. Ha ha ha! I am at the top of my game! <i>I'm invincibile!</i>

wolf · 03-18-2003, 01:12 AM

Whelp, you know not with whom you trifle!

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to the rescue yet again!!!

Gun Control Is Racist

Found this leaflet too.

juju · 03-18-2003, 01:37 AM

That is ridiculous. I reject it outright.

russotto · 03-18-2003, 12:40 PM

Guns on planes making holes in plane: Frangible handgun ammunition was developed to ameliorate that problem.

Nazi Germany: Mussolini made the trains run on time, not Hitler (presumably German trains already ran on time). Actually Mussolini didn't either, but he shot anyone who said they didn't.

Nail clippers: Not forbidden. Specifically listed as permitted.

Shooting someone with a concealed carry weapon, or taking gun away from civilian and using it on them: Happened just recently (a couple of weeks ago) in PA, I heard. That's the first time I've ever heard of that happening for real, though.

OnyxCougar · 03-18-2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by slang

The handgun is a great insurance policy if you accept the responsibility. The overwhelming majority of "good folks" do.

I completely agree, Slang, but the unfortunate fact is, the majority of gun holders are not "good folks", because they don't accept the responsibility of training and practice that it takes to get the license to legally carry. Yes, the responsible, "good people" could be a viable asset to the airline industry, and indeed, are an asset to the population as a whole. But I would venture to say that the number of ccw are far less then the number of people who carry weapons either illegally or irresponsibly. Of course, I include the teens and criminals in this category. Those are the people that screw it up for the rest of us and entice the media to it's frenzy.

bjlhct · 03-19-2003, 02:23 AM

Heh, the thought of guns on planes makes me think of "Starship Troopers" when everybody forms a big circle to shoot at something in the middle. Those guys would have a tough time with the Girl Scouts.

So, guns means you might make a hole in the plane which would make everyone get to choose whether to wear an oxygen mask (leash!) or lose consciousness and possibly die. Or they might hit somebody other than the target.

And hmmmm, if there are several hijackers which there would be and if they're carrying the heaviest stuff they can which they will be, hmmm, they might just win a firefight. Especially with how an airplane is laid out.

And hmmm, give the pilot and copilot guns, well maybe one will shoot the other and take over. Sure it's hard to get there, but it's possible. And they'll be behind those locked doors. And nobody will know what's going on.

I have to think that guns on planes is a lousy idea.

03-19-2003, 05:06 AM

A better one, obviously, is to let hijackers take over planes and crash them into tall buildings. What's 3,000 dead when the wrong person might get shot on a plane?

wolf · 03-19-2003, 08:35 AM

Got this in my email during the last round of hearings on the issue of armed pilots.

arz · 03-19-2003, 12:53 PM

Mmmmmm... scones!

slang · 03-19-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by bjlhct
I have to think that guns on planes is a lousy idea.

So noted. Thank you for your opinion.

wolf · 03-19-2003, 03:28 PM

(even if it is stupid)

wolf · 03-19-2003, 03:29 PM

(stupid is a little harsh. I really meant "foolish and not well reasoned.")

slang · 03-20-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar

I completely agree, Slang, but the unfortunate fact is, the majority of gun holders are not "good folks", because they don't accept the responsibility of training and practice that it takes to get the license to legally carry.

That depends largely on where you are. It's pretty easy here to get a permit. Metro areas have their problems with guns, but in all the years I've been tied to this area, (35) there's only been 2 non-hunting related shootings. (and 3719 hunting related shootings

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wolf · 03-20-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by slang
2 non-hunting related shootings. (and 3719 hunting related shootings )

you counted the guy outside the nuthouse in the non-hunting right?

and 95.3% of the hunting-relateds don't really count because they are NJ residents.

slang · 03-20-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
you counted the guy outside the nuthouse in the non-hunting right?

That only counts for stupidity, and it was self inflicted, but I'll give it to you. 3 in 35 years.

03-18-2003, 01:12 AM	#32
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Whelp, you know not with whom you trifle! Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to the rescue yet again!!! Gun Control Is Racist Found this leaflet too. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 03-18-2003 at 01:14 AM.

03-19-2003, 02:23 AM	#36
bjlhct Theremin Master Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73	Guns on Planes Heh, the thought of guns on planes makes me think of "Starship Troopers" when everybody forms a big circle to shoot at something in the middle. Those guys would have a tough time with the Girl Scouts. So, guns means you might make a hole in the plane which would make everyone get to choose whether to wear an oxygen mask (leash!) or lose consciousness and possibly die. Or they might hit somebody other than the target. And hmmmm, if there are several hijackers which there would be and if they're carrying the heaviest stuff they can which they will be, hmmm, they might just win a firefight. Especially with how an airplane is laid out. And hmmm, give the pilot and copilot guns, well maybe one will shoot the other and take over. Sure it's hard to get there, but it's possible. And they'll be behind those locked doors. And nobody will know what's going on. I have to think that guns on planes is a lousy idea.

03-19-2003, 08:35 AM	#38
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Welcome to the Cockpit Got this in my email during the last round of hearings on the issue of armed pilots. Attached Images __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-19-2003, 03:28 PM	#41
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	(even if it is stupid) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-19-2003, 03:29 PM	#42
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	(stupid is a little harsh. I really meant "foolish and not well reasoned.") __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2003, 01:37 AM	#33
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	That is ridiculous. I reject it outright.

03-18-2003, 12:40 PM	#34
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Guns on planes making holes in plane: Frangible handgun ammunition was developed to ameliorate that problem. Nazi Germany: Mussolini made the trains run on time, not Hitler (presumably German trains already ran on time). Actually Mussolini didn't either, but he shot anyone who said they didn't. Nail clippers: Not forbidden. Specifically listed as permitted. Shooting someone with a concealed carry weapon, or taking gun away from civilian and using it on them: Happened just recently (a couple of weeks ago) in PA, I heard. That's the first time I've ever heard of that happening for real, though.

03-19-2003, 05:06 AM	#37
dave Guest Posts: n/a	A better one, obviously, is to let hijackers take over planes and crash them into tall buildings. What's 3,000 dead when the wrong person might get shot on a plane?

03-19-2003, 12:53 PM	#39
arz Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 137	Mmmmmm... scones!

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