Duck boat

[xoxoxoBruce]

The one in Philly got run over by a huge barge on the Delaware River.

On July 7, 2010, a barge pushed by a tugboat struck a duck boat stranded in the Delaware River off Penn’s Landing after an engine fire.

Once struck, the amphibious craft capsized and two Hungarian tourists drowned.

The tugboat’s pilot, the Inquirer reported, was on his cellphone handling a family emergency. He served a one-year sentence for “the maritime equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.”

[Diaphone Jim]

Bruce says above:
"What difference does it make if it capsized or not. The story is it sank and people died."
Of course that is the story.
This thread, however, is about the media use of the term "capsize," when it is not certain it did.

[sexobon]

I think someone has already coined a term for that phenomenon - Fake News.

[xoxoxoBruce]

They used the wrong word to describe what happened, 90% on the public doesn't know the difference, and 10% who do realize it doesn't make a difference how it went down.

Makes no difference if you did a cannonball or a back dive with 1 1/2 somersaults, and 3 1/2 twists, if you land on the rocks.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I think someone has already coined a term for that phenomenon - Fake News.

That's a fairly accurate description of the term. Find a minor detail to pick at, and claim that makes the whole story, everything by the author, their news outlet, and the industry in general Fake News. Of course, even the minor detail is not strictly necessary, but if it's there, trumpet it.

[Gravdigr]

They needed a bigger duck:

[Diaphone Jim]

One of the two "captains", the one who did the water part, was indicted yesterday on 17 counts of misconduct leading to death.
My original beef was that almost all of the news stories reported that the boat capsized.
All of the reports after yesterday's announcement but one (CNN) now say sank and do not mention capsize.
Rest assured that I will post again when the official finding is that it did NOT capsize, overturn or go upside down.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

Rest assured that I will post again when the official finding is that it did NOT capsize, overturn or go upside down.

I had this argument with the blond bimbos from channel 6 and 29 local news. I said the reason why your news is useless: a car crash is shown. But why it happened, what the mistake was, how it could have been avoided. and what should be learned is never reported. They were indignant insisting that is not news.

Among critically important facts are why so many could not get out of a sinking swamped boat. It remains unreported. And is critical for informed news.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

I had this argument with the blond bimbos from channel 6 and 29 local news. ...

Maybe you can extend an invitation to the blond bimbos [sic] (that's bigoted), from channel 6 and 29 local news, to join the Cellar so we can hear all about you it.

[Diaphone Jim]

I assume a reply here will bring it forward for additional comment on the terms "capsize" and "overturn."

Did this vessel do either as all reports report?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coast-g...rt-11567982240

The incompetence of the whole journalistic chain is deplorable.

I have to say that at least this was kind of funny:
"A car carrying ship developed a serious list off Georgia."

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

The incompetence of the whole journalistic chain is deplorable.

That.

[Griff]

I'm developing a list.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Checkin' it twice...

[Diaphone Jim]

The ship Hyundai Glovis Golden Ray is said to have developed a serious list of 80 degrees and then overturned and capsized, ending up on the bottom (in water about half its width) with a tilt of 90 degrees.
There is simply no meaning to the words "capsize" and "overturn."

How long can a car or truck remain of use turned on its side? Or, I suppose, on its nose or tail?

They are trying to decide whether to right the ship or cut it up in place.

[xoxoxoBruce]

cap·size /ˈkapˌsīz/
verb: capsize; 3rd person present: capsizes; past tense: capsized; past participle: capsized; gerund or present participle: capsizing
(of a boat) overturn in the water. "the craft capsized in heavy seas"
Similar: overturn, turn over, turn upside down, upset, upend

capsize verb
cap·​size | \ ˈkap-ˌsīz , kap-ˈsīz\
capsized; capsizing
Definition of capsize
transitive verb
: to cause to overturn
capsize a canoe
intransitive verb
: to become upset or overturned : TURN OVER
the canoe capsized

Meaning of capsize in English
capsize verb [ I or T ]
UK /kæpˈsaɪz/ US /kæpˈsaɪz/
to (cause a boat or ship to) turn upside down by accident while on water:
A huge wave capsized the yacht.
When the boat capsized we were trapped underneath it.

capsize | AMERICAN DICTIONARY
capsize
verb [ I/T ]
US /ˈkæpˌsɑɪz/
to turn over or cause a boat or ship to turn over in the water:
[ I ] A passenger ferry capsized in rough seas Sunday morning.

I always picture capsize as completely upside down. The dictionary kind of hints at that but there's still a lot of leeway.