Still Undecided?

[elSicomoro]

Badnarik is polling around, what? One percent maybe? Granted, I think he should be included in any polling...hell, he should have been part of the debates. But other than Radar, who really gives a fuck in the end?

I'm voting for Osami, myself. Now, THERE'S a leader for you. Him and his scuzzy litle group of fanatics waltz right into the heart of the most powerful country in the world, kill 5,000 people, and Osami lives to tell the tale and make fun of our president just days before our national election. Either Bin Laden is extremely intelligent and crafty or Bush is an inept, bungling, fool. Whoops! Don't answer that one, Ms. or Mr. American Voter! Geez!

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by sycamore

I read about that on LD. Here's how I see it...Brett Favre is hurting physically and mentally. The Washington NFL team just sucks. Packers by 10 points.

I was close...28-14, Packers. Dubya's fate is officially sealed.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Dubya's fate is officially sealed.

The conservative The Economist endorsed Kerry over Bush. Their cover reads "The incompetent or the incoherent?" The picture next to "incompetent"? - obvious.

The New Yorker which never endorses a candidate, this time, endorses Kerry. Too many who do have facts - who do not listen to Rush Limbaugh lies and Fox News spin - are endorsing Kerry. However that is not the opinion of so many on the street.

Unfortunately his incompetence is not enough for many Americans. Estimated is that only 50 or 60% of eligible Americans will vote - still a mild turnout - meaning that extremists votes will have far more influence. Extremists tend to vote at near 100% levels and tend to vote as told. George Jr's closed campaign rally's target these voters betting their dependable votes will be sufficient for reelection.

It should be a slam dunk for Kerry since even torture was authorized at the highest levels of the George Jr administration - finding lawyers to rationalize acts that violate human rights. Performing torture because prisoners did not provide the necessary information. Most all prisoners in both Guantanamo and Abu Ghraid were not guilty and were not associated with al Qaeda or insurgency. No wonder the prisoners were not talking. No wonder so many fictional stories from tortured prisoners resulting in elevated alert levels and no attacks. This administration only hears what they wanted to hear - which is necessary to be incompetent. Authorized torture at the highest levels of George Jr administration is cited by The Economist as "The biggest mistake, though, was one that will haunt America for years to come."

How often do Rush Limbaugh and Fox News condemn all that torture? The conservative Wall Street Journal does. But then some conservative news organizations report the news. Others (Rush Limbaugh and Fox News) simply report spin as Pravda did in communist USSR. Therefore many will still vote for George Jr. A vote for George Jr is an endorsement of torture - and other policies that violate fundamental American values.

[Catwoman]

Originally Posted by tw

A vote for George Jr is an endorsement of torture - and other policies that violate fundamental American values.

Quite. And if the American people vote Bush in, the rest of the world will continue to see them as adamant supporters of war, millitance and injustice. A vote for Kerry shows us you want change, that you do actually care how America is seen by the rest of the world - who are hoping for the fundamental change needed to allow them to be your allies.

Just had to get my two British pennies in on election day.

[Trilby]

Well, Catwoman, thanks for speaking for the "rest of the world"--Now, pay this much attention to your own elections and maybe all you Brits will find yourselves in a happier place too, mmm? Oh, and as for the American people wishing to portray themselves as war-mongers and supporters of injustice and oppression of "the people", I think we're all for that. I mean, there's nothing we like better than to have Europeans spit in our collective face and scream "baby killer!" at us. Just ask anyone. We love it! Gee, I hope you can read the sarcasm here as I know that can be a problem in cyberworld.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Well, Catwoman, thanks for speaking for the "rest of the world"--Now, pay this much attention to your own elections and maybe all you Brits will find yourselves in a happier place, mmm?

[jaguar]

Blair may be a lieing, spineless, gutless, directionless and teflon coated but I'd prefer him over shrub any day, the bigger problem here is the opposition makes the cure look worse than the disease. I'm with Hunter S Thompson, bush truly is nothing short of a global disaster.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Blair may be a lieing, spineless, gutless, directionless and teflon coated but I'd prefer him over shrub any day, the bigger problem here is the opposition makes the cure look worse than the disease. I'm with Hunter S Thompson, bush truly is nothing short of a global disaster.

We're all very aware of how you see yourselves over there. If you give such a damn go do something about it where you can. It's so easy to play Monday morning quarterback, isn't it? And by the way, I voted for Kerry--doesn't that make all you Brits feel all warm and cozy? I'm tired of your snot-nosed Brit comments. We are a nation of very different peoples, just like all of you. I wouldn't DREAM of sticking my "two cents" in where your country is concerned. Get over yourselves already.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Brianna

It's so easy to play Monday morning quarterback, isn't it?

To be fair, the majority of Americans who voted thought that Shrub was a bad idea on Saturday, well before the game began. It took the Republican majority on the Supreme Court to get him into the game. I wouldn't call that Monday morning quarterbacking.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Catwoman

Quite. And if the American people vote Bush in, the rest of the world will continue to see them as adamant supporters of war, millitance and injustice. A vote for Kerry shows us you want change, that you do actually care how America is seen by the rest of the world - who are hoping for the fundamental change needed to allow them to be your allies.

I was in Europe in June and had a compelling desire to apologize to everyone I saw for the actions of our idiot President. He has insulted so many of our allies (and non-allies) that I don't blame you guys for being a little ticked off. I didn't vote for the guy....don't blame me!!!

[Happy Monkey]

If it makes you feel better, you can pretend I said what jaguar said, and I live within 8 miles of the Capitol.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Blair may be a lieing, spineless, gutless, directionless and teflon coated but I'd prefer him over shrub any day, the bigger problem here is the opposition makes the cure look worse than the disease.

Not to mention that I find Tony Blair to be strangely attractive. I don't understand it, either.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by garnet

Not to mention that I find Tony Blair to be strangely attractive. I don't understand it, either.

One of my female friends thinks Bush is hot. And she's a flaming liberal. Being a guy, I certainly don't get it.

[Trilby]

Oh, just SOD OFF! All of you!

Now...must get ready to minister to the sick and psychotic.
---I am VERY stressed. Forgive.

but, still.