Be a person...

[Griff]

Business is immoral? Do you purchase your food Jag, or grow it all yourself? Do you make your own clothing from the skins of animals or do you buy clothes? I suppose the ideal of a State giving to each by his need is the answer. Yes that would work fine. From you Jag we need 40 hours a week in a cubicle. I'm sorry but thats what the tests say. That is your greatest value to "society". You may or may not eat in return for this but you won't mind standing in line for soy beans and rutabagas, since those are easy and efficient to grow. You don't want choice do you, no you're right serving the needs and desires of humanity is immoral.

whew rant off

[MaggieL]

Originally posted by Griff
Business is immoral? Do you purchase your food Jag, or grow it all yourself?

Neither. Mom and Dad are still feeding Jag, and soon they will send him to college, where he may learn that there are morally neutral meanings for the word "exploitation", and that some economic transactions are actually mutually beneficial.

[jaguar]

Since maggieL is soo busy trying to be patronising she cna't acutally read what i wrote ill repeat.

often its mutual to both parties

Just bceause both benifit doesn't mean its not exploitation.

I tired to DISATTACH morality for it MaggieL, try getting off your goddamn perch miles above where you are so busy preaching from up on high you seem to be incapable of reading what i wrote, and shit stupid shit about my age is jsut the silliest thing i've ever seen, pretty sad too. I run a business, active in multiple political groups, co-cordinating a Youth Forum next year, attend protest rallies by groups such as Greenpeace, and pay my dues to them, and tax, don't treat my like a fucking 5 year old becasue you don't like what i say, and please don't tell me you're still better of that gun control thing. Amazing how everyone here, even Dham however much we disagree can take what i say on the level - except for you, considering your seemsly minority groups background (gay and lesban stuff etc) i would have thought you'd be more open minded.
Doesn't mean you're not expliting, people just don't like the connotations - Griff is a good example, it still stands, this is merely an arguement over langage. SUre i buy my food but i'd argue the guy selling it is making money, more than he needs by selling people food that he bougth for less - how immoral is that?

You provide a service or product people need/want then you are exploiting that desire.

[MaggieL]

Sorry, Jag.

You're right, I *don't* read every word you say--it's spelled and punctuated so badly it makes my head hurt. What kind of a word is "disattach"? How about "seemsly"? Being "in a minority group" (aren't we all?) doesn't obligate me to swallow any old ideology that happens to wander in the door, either--I still value critical thinking.

So...tell us about *your* business, and how it's morally superior. Speaking of being condescending. :-)

<b>exploit</b>
n : a notable achievement: "the book was her finest effort" [syn: <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=deed">deed</a>, <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=feat">feat</a>, <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=effort">effort</a>] v 1: use to one's advantage; "He exploit the new taxation system" 2: draw from; make good use of (resources) [syn: <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=tap">tap</a>] 3: work excessively hard [syn: <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=overwork">overwork</a>]

As in, by selling services or products that people <b>need</b>, a company is making good use of that need - i.e., by making money on it.

He <b>is</b> right about the word, though like I said, I'd personally not use it in this instance. But when we take semantics into consideration, he's absolutely right -- even if the situation <b>is</b> mutually beneficial.

[jaguar]

Well first mabye stop making assumptions, i never said my business was somehow morally better, i don't try and claim the moral high ground. My business? Building computer, mostly rackmount boxen for custom Mysql/PHP solutions for medium sized businesses, i do this with two friends, Uni students, i do hardware and some PHP.

Being "in a minority group" (aren't we all?) doesn't obligate me to swallow any old ideology that happens to wander in the door, either--I still value critical thinking.

*laughz, i havne't seen you think once, or make a half decent point, you obviosuly didn't even bother to read what i said, because both your previous point i had covered. As for minority groups, yes, we are but some recieve more scrunity and discrinimation than others.

spelled and punctuated so badly it makes my head hurt

Well Disattach is a perfectly valid word i'm sorry if you havne't heard it before. You disattach yourself from a situation. As for seemsly, god knows what i meant there lol, once again, everyone else can get over 2 errors in a 200 word post, yet you can't.......

I meant bloody hell, you look down your nose at me because i'm younger, you bitched about new people on the board, where the hell do you get off?

Dham? Backing me up? Thought i'd never see the day

[Nic Name]

I swear, if Jaggy gets a spell-checker there would be much less mental challenge cypherin' his posts!

Just how did those two Uni students get "fried" anyhow?

Well. Detach might be a little closer to a real word, but I think the meaning is pretty obvious.

[jaguar]

Nic - I spellcheck the long ones, i generally eye-check the shorter ones so things get though.

Dham - I stand corrected

Teach me to start argueing at 10 in the morning when you get up at 9 and go to be at 3.

Gotta love the holidays

[Nic Name]

To be perfectly frank, I find Jag's writing style to be very interesting ... in the genius style of J.R.R. Tolkien, who never wrote five words in a row that I understood without thinking about what he was trying to say.

That said, I think Jaguar might make himmsself celarer if he'd jus stopppp pounding the keys wit his fistes caus hes madd at Maggie!

[jaguar]

*laughz
why thankyou =)
Its not that i'm mad at maggie (i've got better things to get angry over - like the bastard over the back fence with a powersaw at 10am) it more intersting in fact. Deep inside my battered old keyboard (had it since my good 'ol 266(with MMX!!)) there was a small, round piece of some kind of hard stuff, the top of a manderin i think. It rolled around and got stuck under keys, meaning that charater doesn't get typed. A sort of ghost in the machine type thing. One problem fixed - now i just need to learn to type.

[MaggieL]

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Well. Detach might be a little closer to a real word, but I think the meaning is pretty obvious.

Maybe...but as Nic points out, it's fatiguing to have to constantly make up for a writer's laziness in not using actual English words and syntax to begin with. James Joyce did it for artistic effect; here it's just annoying. It just doesn't pass close "scrunity"...not to be confused with "discrinimation".

"Negligent speech doth not onely discredit the person of the Speaker, but it discrediteth the opinion of his reason and judgement; it discrediteth the force and uniformity of the matter and substance. If it be so then in words, which fly and 'scape censure, and where one good Phrase asks pardon for many incongruities and faults, how then shall he be thought wise whose penning is thin and shallow?" --Ben Jonson

And--pardon me--but I find little in common between Jag's writing and Tolkien's. The Ben Jonson above requres some effort to follow, because the construction and diction are archaic; it was written in the 17th century. But the effort is worthwhile, and I don't think Ben's contemporaries had as much trouble with it as we do.

He didn't have any orange peels in his keyboard either--knowing that "it's a poor craftsman that blames his tools..." :-)

[jeni]

so some people can't spell properly or use proper grammar. give them a fucking break. the point of his post was not to use proper grammar or spelling. jesus christ.

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by Nic Name
To be perfectly frank, I find Jag's writing style to be very interesting ... in the genius style of J.R.R. Tolkien

I wholeheartedly agree! Jag's literary style represents the "new adults"--the disenchanted and disenfranchised, who cling desperately to that ray of light we call hope.

[jeni]

i agree even more wholeheartedly. i call it art. poetry. rather in the spirit of e.e. cummings...except...not.