Wall Street Protests - Page 30

xoxoxoBruce · 11-02-2011, 02:45 AM

The point...

Happy Monkey · 11-02-2011, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

meh - we can't paint the whole dept by the actions of one or at most, a few.

The "open letter" is ostensibly from the whole department, and they used the "skirmish line" war terminology there.

I don't think it was "a few" who armed the cops with tear gas and flashbang grenades against a peaceful protest. I think it's a general problem across the country (and the world), where all sorts of cool "non-lethal" weapons and black paramilitary outfits are given to cops with very loose regulation. It might only be "a few" who actually hope for a riot to occur to justify the use of that equipment, but dressing everyone as stormtroopers and giving them grenades all but guarantees they'll get their wish.

ZenGum · 11-02-2011, 03:27 AM

These protests started with everyone shouting their own message. What Bruce just posted is, I think, the message that most seem to agree with, and is becoming distilled as "the" message of OWS.

DOWN WITH PLUTOCRACY!

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 05:30 AM

and buying is only one letter away from burying...

classicman · 11-02-2011, 02:51 PM

Yeh I'm sure thats what they were thinking - NOT.
I'm rather sure they'd prefer to be home with the wives/husbands/families.
Instead, they are all working ridiculous overtime standing for hours at a time
day after day after day... Looking for a fight? nope. There may have been a few.

For example - The ONE guy that threw the flashbang into the group helping the fallen protester should be dealt with legally.
On the other hand the protesters were repeatedly warned to clear the area. They refused. They knew what was going to happen if they didn't. IF they had, perhaps he wouldn't have been hit as no tear gas would have been necessary.

glatt · 11-02-2011, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

On the other hand the protesters were repeatedly warned to clear the area. They refused. They knew what was going to happen if they didn't. IF they had, perhaps he wouldn't have been hit as no tear gas would have been necessary.

What does the Constitution say about the right to assembly and the right to free speech? What does a "right" mean? Do the cops get to decide when we have rights and when we don't?

Lamplighter · 11-02-2011, 03:41 PM

In one of my links to Occupy Portland, the article included a paragraph
about the "trainers" telling the group that if they were arrested,
to plead "Not Guilty", and they would be freed at their court hearing.

They said the City did not want to go to trial on the City's "curfew" Ordinances
because they feared they would be ruled unconstitutional.

So far in PDX, it seems to have worked out that way

SamIam · 11-02-2011, 03:58 PM

I suspect that the problem is simply that the protesters are "occupying" the downtown areas of major cities. The pan handlers, winos, and crazies who can be found downtown in most of our major cities didn't just pack up and leave because a bunch of people have suddenly decided to join them. I imagine they are delighted to take part in communal dining experiences and were first in line for sleeping bags donated to the Occupiers. And I bet they love the chance to get back at the cops and throw a rock or two from the anonymity of the crowd.

Whatcha gonna do?

classicman · 11-02-2011, 03:43 PM

Wasn't there a curfew or something?

ETA - Lamp posted same time.

classicman · 11-02-2011, 04:13 PM

Those people also have a whole bunch of new "marks" to target.
Which is my guess as well. Thats where most of the crime is generated from.

classicman · 11-02-2011, 04:57 PM

Fromm Occupy Philadelphia ...

Quote:

For locating its Headquarters in Center City, Comcast was given 42.75 million dollars from the State, and pays no taxes for the first 10 years. The construction firm that built the Headquarters, Liberty Property Trust, received 30 million dollars from the State. These subsidies and tax cuts could save the AdultBasic program that Governor Corbett has gutted, which provided over 45,000 low-income Pennsylvanians with health insurance.

So they had a sit-in today ...

About 2 hours ago they had an update
@OccupyPhilly sit-in protesters are now being arrested at Comcast

Aliantha · 11-02-2011, 06:38 PM

The occupy brisbane protesters were moved on yesterday. They were told to go camp out in a park up the road where the facilities were better rather than right next to the war memorial, outside the main train station etc.

SamIam · 11-02-2011, 08:14 PM

The OWS movement has spread to Australia? Somehow, I thought conditions there are much better than here. I'm surprised.

TheMercenary · 11-02-2011, 08:30 PM

Thank God it has started to Snow in a big way....

SamIam · 11-02-2011, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Thank God it has started to Snow in a big way....

Wimp!

We love snow in Colorado. We cross country ski across town. We camp in the snow. And we continue to Occupy Denver:

11-02-2011, 02:45 AM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The point... Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-02-2011, 03:27 AM	#3
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	These protests started with everyone shouting their own message. What Bruce just posted is, I think, the message that most seem to agree with, and is becoming distilled as "the" message of OWS. DOWN WITH PLUTOCRACY! __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-02-2011, 05:30 AM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	and buying is only one letter away from burying... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 02:51 PM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Yeh I'm sure thats what they were thinking - NOT. I'm rather sure they'd prefer to be home with the wives/husbands/families. Instead, they are all working ridiculous overtime standing for hours at a time day after day after day... Looking for a fight? nope. There may have been a few. For example - The ONE guy that threw the flashbang into the group helping the fallen protester should be dealt with legally. On the other hand the protesters were repeatedly warned to clear the area. They refused. They knew what was going to happen if they didn't. IF they had, perhaps he wouldn't have been hit as no tear gas would have been necessary. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-02-2011, 03:43 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Wasn't there a curfew or something? ETA - Lamp posted same time. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-02-2011, 03:41 PM	#7
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	In one of my links to Occupy Portland, the article included a paragraph about the "trainers" telling the group that if they were arrested, to plead "Not Guilty", and they would be freed at their court hearing. They said the City did not want to go to trial on the City's "curfew" Ordinances because they feared they would be ruled unconstitutional. So far in PDX, it seems to have worked out that way

11-02-2011, 03:58 PM	#8
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	I suspect that the problem is simply that the protesters are "occupying" the downtown areas of major cities. The pan handlers, winos, and crazies who can be found downtown in most of our major cities didn't just pack up and leave because a bunch of people have suddenly decided to join them. I imagine they are delighted to take part in communal dining experiences and were first in line for sleeping bags donated to the Occupiers. And I bet they love the chance to get back at the cops and throw a rock or two from the anonymity of the crowd. Whatcha gonna do?

11-02-2011, 04:13 PM	#10
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Those people also have a whole bunch of new "marks" to target. Which is my guess as well. Thats where most of the crime is generated from. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-02-2011, 06:38 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The occupy brisbane protesters were moved on yesterday. They were told to go camp out in a park up the road where the facilities were better rather than right next to the war memorial, outside the main train station etc. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2011, 08:14 PM	#13
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	The OWS movement has spread to Australia? Somehow, I thought conditions there are much better than here. I'm surprised.

11-02-2011, 08:30 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Thank God it has started to Snow in a big way.... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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