Vaccination & epidemic

[Clodfobble]

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.


I received an invitation today to participate in a study. They want to know if I have any home video footage of my autistic children, under the age of six months, that happens to show them crying or fussing. Because they're going to get a bunch of people in a room and see if they can isolate a difference in the sound of the cries of future-autistic babies and ones that turned out normal.

Let's even pretend for a moment that it's not stupid on its face. Say they do happen to find some completely unexpected, subtle difference in these babies' cries. This information will be diagnostically useless. How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference? If your pediatrician is tone deaf, are they no longer qualified to be a pediatrician? Maybe it will become standard practice to record 5-10 seconds of crying at every baby's 4-month checkup, and then we can just send the millions of mp3s over to India for faster processing?

They're running out of ways to try and prove the autism was always secretly there from the beginning, and this is apparently what they have left to spend their money on.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But what if they play in backwards... at 78 rpm?

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.


I received an invitation today to participate in a study. They want to know if I have any home video footage of my autistic children, under the age of six months, that happens to show them crying or fussing. Because they're going to get a bunch of people in a room and see if they can isolate a difference in the sound of the cries of future-autistic babies and ones that turned out normal.

Let's even pretend for a moment that it's not stupid on its face. Say they do happen to find some completely unexpected, subtle difference in these babies' cries. This information will be diagnostically useless. How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference? If your pediatrician is tone deaf, are they no longer qualified to be a pediatrician? Maybe it will become standard practice to record 5-10 seconds of crying at every baby's 4-month checkup, and then we can just send the millions of mp3s over to India for faster processing?

They're running out of ways to try and prove the autism was always secretly there from the beginning, and this is apparently what they have left to spend their money on.

This has probably been answered before, but are most autistic children born that way or do they become autistic because of some outside assault on brain function, i.e. flu shots or what have you?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Here's an example of the stupid shit that gets research funding while the obvious avenues go unexplored.

Because a doctor will not hear the difference, then we should remain ignorant. You are confusing fundamental research with application research. Fundamental research only determines relationships, facts, and concepts. Makes no effort to make any of it useful. That is why the laser, transistors, satellites, and Unix were developed. Nobody had a clue what practical applications these would eventually have.

Application research later takes that new knowledge to ring something useful from it. The minute one combines application and fundamental together in a conclusion, as you have done (ie "How do you train every pediatrician in the country to discern the auditory difference?"), then research is stifled.

Shameful are the so many who 'know' what causes autism only because they ‘feel’. The same "I love to screw the world" logic that also proved Saddam's WMDs. We are supposed to have learned from that history how to think logically. Blaming autism on vaccines has been demonstrated to be from the same mindset that proved Saddam's WMDs: "I feel, therefore it must be true."

Electricity leaking from electrical receptacles also causes arthritis. Same logic that so many believed 100 years ago - therefore it was true.

Electricity also causes childhood leukemia. Also proven by the same hearsay.

[Undertoad]

Generation Rescue has put up an alternate Desiree Jennings page.

[Clodfobble]

Hey tw? I'm not going to discuss this topic with you. Just so you know. Your discussion style is harmless and amusing most of the time, but this is not one of those times for me.

Originally Posted by SamIAm

This has probably been answered before, but are most autistic children born that way or do they become autistic because of some outside assault on brain function, i.e. flu shots or what have you?

That's the whole debate. Two very opposed sides, and one side has a lot more research funding, but neither has been able to definitively prove anything to the other's acceptance.

A small handful (approximately 5-10%) have been identified as having a provable, genetic link--those who are afflicted with Fragile X Syndrome, for example, which can present with autistic symptoms. The understanding is that these account for the cases of autism that were seen in past decades, as the rate of Fragile X in the population has held steady. But the rest have been statistically ruled-out as not having those genes.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-13791-Balt...to-flu-vaccine

Desiree Jennings' case has found its way into the VAERS database, in which all (known) adverse effects of vaccines are cataloged.

The admitting neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the symptomology

Remember, Desiree can tell the media whatever she wants. The original diagnosing physicians aren't going to discuss it. Why: they could lose their license. They're prohibited by medical privacy laws.

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Desiree immediately much better after chelation therapy



Desiree has own website

The treatments with Dr. Buttar at the Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research in Charlotte, NC are working, and the results are nothing short of amazing. Jennings can now walk and talk normally throughout the vast majority of the day and the seizures/convulsions have significantly decreased. Although her full recovery will take an undetermined amount of time, her family is now for the first time, convinced she will make a complete recovery. She is now more than ever, driven by a desire to educate others to be informed of the potential side effects caused by vaccines and prevent others from suffering a similar fate.

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Neurologica blog interprets:

But, unknowingly, Dr. Buttar was about to administer what can be considered a significant test of the hypothesis that Jennings’ symptoms are psychogenic. One test we can use to help confirm this diagnosis is to see if the patient’s symptoms can respond to psychological treatments or to medical treatments that should not otherwise be capable of reversing the symptoms. A response that is too quick to be plausible, for example, is one type of response that supports a psychogenic diagnosis. One dramatic example from my own experience was a patient with apparently psychogenic symptoms who believed that he needed a specific IV medication as a treatment. After extensive negative workup, we agreed to give him the treatment, and his symptoms completely resolved even before the medicine had a chance to work its way through the IV tubing and into his arm.

If Jennings really had dystonia or any biological brain injury from toxicity, removing the toxin might prevent further progression and allow the slow process of recovery to begin. But brain damage does not immediately reverse itself once the cause is removed. It is possible for dystonia to be a side effect of certain medications, and it can immediately resolve once that medication is stopped or reversed. But in that situation we are dealing with an effect of an active blood level of a pharmaceutical agent – something which is inherently reversible. We are not dealing with damage or injury.
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However, now Jennings herself, and Dr. Buttar, report that Jennings began to improve while still sitting in the chair and receiving her chelation therapy, and within 36 hours her symptoms were completely gone. First, let me say that I am very happy Ms. Jennings’ symptoms have resolved. Hopefully now she can just go on with her life. But to me, this impossibly rapid recovery is a dramatic confirmation that her symptoms were psychogenic to begin with. It is simply implausible that brain injury from mercury toxicity could be reversed so quickly – especially when you consider that Dr. Buttar had Jennings at death’s door.

[Clodfobble]

I find the speed of her treatment to be pretty implausible, too. Usually chelation is a long process and requires repeated treatments. I've seen kids improve a surprising amount with just a single chelation treatment, but for Christ's sake, you at least have to pee first.

[jinx]

So where are all the people who helped her plan this, like with the Heene's? They're gonna miss their 15 mins if they don't hurry up...

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Desiree Jennings' doctor, Dr. Buttar, tweets that Jennings has been seizure free for a week now, down from 60 seizures per day.

Robert Scott Bell, on the Michael Savage show, is supportive, happy that holistic and detoxification treatment medicine cured her, while Johns Hopkins can't cure dystonia, only treat it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pnI-dDH7s

[classicman]

Rhodes also understands that there is a lot of changing information about H1N1, most of it a result of earlier misconceptions about how deadly the virus would turn out to be.

Data released by the CDC last week show at least 22 million Americans have contracted H1N1 since the outbreak began in April and 3,900 have died, including about 540 children.

The total is about three times the number of deaths the agency had been reporting. Previous figures were based on laboratory-confirmed cases, while the new number reflects the best estimate by agency epidemiologists.

The new numbers also suggest the toll from swine flu may approach that normally associated with seasonal flu. About 36,000 Americans die each year from the seasonal flu.

If there is a silver lining to the H1N1 virus, it is that so many people now have taken up good hygiene practices that will help stop the spread of flu in the future.

Those positive signs also were reflected in the latest poll, with 97 percent saying they plan to wash their hands more often and 84 percent saying they will use hand disinfectants.

In addition, Rhodes believes public perception about the H1N1 vaccine is changing, especially as more people are vaccinated and doubts begin to fade.

''Seeing is believing,'' he said. ''If you have a very active vaccine campaign in your own hometown and work sites and nothing bad happens, it's powerful proof.''

Link

Is that really proof or just supposition?

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Desiree update: interviewed by Fox affiliate that first aired her story.

When Desiree arrived there more than three weeks ago, she was in acute respiratory distress. She could barely breathe, and there were concerns she just wouldn't make it.

"Her face was starting to get that purplish bluish tint because she couldn't get air. Twice I looked at my head nurse like we may need to call EMS," says Dr Buttar.

But 24-48 hours later, Desiree was stable. And when we paid her a visit, she was walking and laughing, and was seemingly on the road to recovery.

"Overall I think my spirits are higher. I definitely feel light-- I have a positive future. Hopefully all of this will get better," says Jennings.

She's no longer having any seizures. She can speak perfectly normal whenever talking about the past or the future but her voice changes whenever she speaks about the time period when she was sick which began in early September.

Dr. Buttar describes it as a hard drive damaged on a computer, but that too, he says, will return.

Dr. Buttar offers a lot of diagnostic detail:

Dr. Buttar diagnosed Desiree with essentially a toxic reaction to the flu shot.

"My diagnosis of her is acute viral post immunization ensephalophosphy* and secondary mecury toxicity, which we just established as of this Friday.

When asked if her diagnosis was a result of the flu shot, Dr. Buttar responded, "Absolutely. Without a doubt? Without a doubt."

He says she was showing symptoms from a number of different conditions including dystonic side effects, which is why he says so many doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. Desiree's private neurologist also diagnosed her with a dystonic reaction to the seasonal flu shot. Dr. Buttar treated her in what many traditional doctors might call an untraditional way.

"We took the toxins out of her system, we supported her system, we reduced inflammation and we started treating the injuries by giving her certain nutrients that the brain needed to help repair the neuroreceptors," says Buttar.

Those treatments included, among other things, time in a hyperbaric chamber and dozens of IV treatments containing synthetic amino acids and nutrients. Dr. Buttar believes with rest and continued treatment, Desiree will fully recover.

* He probably said "encephalopathy", but the writer of this article is a moron.

VAERS describes acute encephalopathy as

For adults and children 18 months of age or older, an acute encephalopathy is one that persists for at least 24 hours and is characterized by at least two of the following:

• A significant change in mental status that is not medication related: specifically a confusional state, or a delirium, or a psychosis;
• A significantly decreased level of consciousness, which is independent of a seizure and cannot be attributed to the effects of medication; and
• A seizure associated with loss of consciousness.

VAERS is not interested unless your condition is chronic, lasting six months (48 hours is RIGHT OUT):

For purposes of the Reportable Events Table, a vaccine recipient shall be considered to have suffered an encephalopathy only if such recipient manifests, within the applicable period, an injury meeting the description below of an acute encephalopathy, and then a chronic encephalopathy persists in such person for more than 6 months beyond the date of vaccination.

tl;dr: Desiree was turning purple but was much better after 24-48 hours of alternative medicine treatment and almost completely cured in two weeks. Typical acute encephalopathy patients recover in a matter of six months.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Typical acute encephalopathy patients recover in a matter of six months.

No, "typical" acute encephalopathy patients don't recover at all. The six month mark is just when they consider the condition to be a neurologically chronic one, as opposed to a short-term physical injury that heals on its own, like from a concussion. You also seem to be confusing your timelines: it was 48 hours after the start of treatment that she showed major improvement, but how many weeks/months had the symptoms been present before she started treatment? There's your measurement for whether her condition lasted long enough to be considered chronic.

It's also important to understand that encephalopathy is an incredibly broad term that really just means some kind of neurological dysfunction. Autism, epilepsy, and a host of other diseases all fall under the encephalopathy umbrella.