Do You Own a Gun?

[Ibby]

Uhhh... that was a quick shift...

[Radar]

My daughter doesn't have dual citizenship. She's an American citizen. I haven't really chosen another country yet, but it most likely would not be Vietnam, although they are moving closer to freedom and America is moving further away from it.

[Trilby]

I couldn't recall your wife's native country--I knew it was an Asian country--though not which one.

IF you did decide to live in another country-would you keep your daughter's American citizenship? I worded my question weird the first time. I know some countries let you keep it (i believe the Netherlands is one, Ireland and Italy are others) and others do not--a friend told me Canada will NOT let Americans have dual citizenship.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Brianna

a friend told me Canada will NOT let Americans have dual citizenship.

Your friend's information is outdated.


http://www.uscitizenship.info/en_US/...ip/ans/g96.jsp

[Aliantha]

Living in a society provides everyone in that society with benefits. The majority of us must agree to that because if not, we'd be living as hermits in caves, totally disconnected from society and the benefits there-of.

Nothing in this world comes for free. You always have to pay the ferryman.

If you want the benefits of living in society, that society has the right to say how you should live within it, so laws are created which suit the majority at the time of their making.

Sometimes these laws need to addressed because they've become outdated or even obsolete.

If you don't like living by the laws of society, then don't live in it or do something about those laws.

I suggest comming to Australia if you like strict gun laws.

I suggest moving to a country at war if you like the idea of being able to carry machine guns around the street.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Living in a society provides everyone in that society with benefits. The majority of us must agree to that because if not, we'd be living as hermits in caves, totally disconnected from society and the benefits there-of.

But with the internet we have what fills the need for socializing, without the cost. My cave is air conditioned.

If you want the benefits of living in society, that society has the right to say how you should live within it, so laws are created which suit the majority at the time of their making.

Here there is one more hurdle. The desired law must pass Constitutional muster to make sure the majority didn't pass a law to fuck with the minority. That's the difference between our system and a pure democracy.


aside.... I believe using heroin is legal, while buying, selling, and possession is not. Isn't that why they take a user to the hospital instead of jail?

[Radar]

Living within a society does not mean giving up rights. It means common protection under the law. It means people agree not to harm each other and face consequences if they don't.

The "benefits of living in a society" are merely that you stand up for each other when something happens. Those benefits do not include taking from those who earn to provide food, shelter, education, healthcare, etc. for those who don't.

Society has no rights; only individuals do. Society has limited powers. They are limited to what the people grant to it. One individual has no authority to take the earnings of another to pay for their own wants or perceived needs. This means they may not legitimately grant this power to government.

The wants of millions of people are less than the rights of a single person.

Australia is a beautiful place, but I see it as having a bunch of rednecks with different accents. The Southern United States are beautiful too, but I wouldn't want to live there either. And I can carry a gun all I want there.

I prefer to live in a free country that has citizens rather than subjects and you won't find freedom in the UK or any of its former colonies.

[Yznhymr]

Going back to original question...Do I own a gun? Yes, yes I do.

• 1851 Colt Navy Black Powder .44 cal
• Ruger GP 100 .357 mag
• Ruger Mark II Target Model .22 w/scope & Pachmayr grips
• 1920 Mossberg Brownie Four Barrel .22 Pistol (First model of any gun ever produced by Mossberg)
• 1950s-1960s EIG "Derringer" .22 w/ 3” Over/Under Tip-Up Barrels (Italian knockoff of Mossberg Brownie)
• FIE TZ 75 9mm Semi-Auto (Clone of the Czech CZ 75)
• Savage Arms .380 Model 1917

[Radar]

Scroll back yourself jackass. And there is a need for name calling. When someone is an outrageously idiotic asshole constantly and tells lies about those who use guns and who even denies a FACT like our natural right to own guns, they are begging to be called names.

You're a fucking worthless idiot.

Now you get what you want so badly you little troll.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Radar

Scroll back yourself . . . idiot.

Now you get what you want so badly you little troll.

It is my view that this thing that Spexx wants so very badly is exactly the thing he must not get. Not because Spexx wants it, but because the thing he wants is so very wrong -- and Spexx needs a new prescription because he cannot see the wrongness of it.

If Spexx is not converted from this hellroad path, that's of small moment so long as no one else in the Cellar nor anywhere else goes with him. Derisive laughter -- optional, and not recommended. However, if he is converted, hallelujahs are in order.

There's still plenty of room over here with the angels, Spexx.

But you must cease to fear the wrath in your own soul. I embraced mine and found constructive outlets for it -- martial arts are wonderful that way. Thus I avoided repression and the irrational outbursts repression can fuel -- and does make necessary, on some level.

[piercehawkeye45]

Your right to own guns is not a fact. You just made it a fact because it is your perspective on how everyone should live. That means not everyone thinks it is a fact that it is your right to own a gun. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live. There is no right way to live and hopefully you can accept that. What you are doing is just the same thing as forcing people not to own guns but in the reverse form.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Your right to own guns is not a fact. You just made it a fact because it is your perspective on how everyone should live. That means not everyone thinks it is a fact that it is your right to own a gun. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live. There is no right way to live and hopefully you can accept that. What you are doing is just the same thing as forcing people not to own guns but in the reverse form.

Man that was backward.
You just can't get it.
Freedom, remember?
The right to be free.
We own guns because we have the right to be free... we force nothing on others.
You are perfectly free not to own a gun.
Our way we both live as we like.

Your way, you FORCE others to your will because you can't stand the fact that they don't agree with you.
Pretty simple, but you won't get it because you choose not to understand freedom.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
Your right to own guns is not a fact. You just made it a fact because it is your perspective on how everyone should live. That means not everyone thinks it is a fact that it is your right to own a gun. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live. There is no right way to live and hopefully you can accept that. What you are doing is just the same thing as forcing people not to own guns but in the reverse form.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Man that was backward.
You just can't get it.
Freedom, remember?
The right to be free.
We own guns because we have the right to be free... we force nothing on others.
You are perfectly free not to own a gun.
Our way we both live as we like.

Your way, you FORCE others to your will because you can't stand the fact that they don't agree with you.
Pretty simple, but you won't get it because you choose not to understand freedom.

Why didn't you reply to this?
It was a perfectly reasonable response to your post.
I set you up perfectly to take-me-down! Show-me-tha'-light!
Just put your superior point into words, clearly, logically, showing me how it is freedom and does not violate my rights and is not you trying to force me to your way of thinking and is best for everyone and safer for me with an intruder in my home or with me being disabled at the mercy and whim of the world, unable to run away from any situation... it was all yours dude and you just let it go, WHY?... LOL!

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Your right to own guns is not a fact. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live.

I see. So if I don't check with you to see whether or not its ok for me to have a gun then I'm forcing my view on you?

If you had made that post when Daniel Webster was still alive, your words would have been immortalized as a timeless example in the definition of self-contradictory.

One thing I can tell you, sir: no right of mine is contingent on your opinion. And if the argument - or rather that bullet in your left foot you just proferred as one is any example of how developed your socio-political ideas are then maybe you should stick with engineering.

[Radar]

My right to own a gun IS a fact. It's as much a fact as is your existence. If you deny my right to own guns, you deny your own existence and that of all human beings.

It's not my "perspective" and it's not an "opinion". It's a cold, hard, undeniable fact.

We have rights and those who claim otherwise deny facts. I don't demand that anyone else have a gun, I only demand that they don't infringe on my right to do so. If they do, they will get my gun bullets first.