Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone - Page 36

07-13-2007, 01:58 AM

I hatz me a' commie!

(I like their posters and hats though)

piercehawkeye45 · 07-13-2007, 03:13 AM

UG, you know the world is much more detailed and complicated than black and white right?

07-13-2007, 04:15 AM

Sure, but it sure as hell ain't red.

Some of us have a sense of humor too...

Commies do hatz them some freedomz thou.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-13-2007, 04:53 AM

Good thing I'm not a commie then huh?

07-13-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Good thing I'm not a commie then huh?

I'd sure hate to give away the computer that I worked so hard for.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 12:52 PM

Bruce, can you ever get it through your head that our self-made and explicitly self declared enemies, who have been busily bloodying us since about 1983, are simply not our fault?? They are their own fault.

Therefore, they should lose and we should win. Democracy should win despite anything the undemocrats can do or say. When the last dictator kicks out his last moments hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, how much woe will have fled our world?

There is really my sole concern, Bruce. What else is there? What else could there be?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-13-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Bruce, can you ever get it through your head that our self-made and explicitly self declared enemies, who have been busily bloodying us since about 1983, are simply not our fault?? They are their own fault.

Therefore, they should lose and we should win. Democracy should win despite anything the undemocrats can do or say. When the last dictator kicks out his last moments hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, how much woe will have fled our world?

There is really my sole concern, Bruce. What else is there? What else could there be?

If you'd stick to the self declared enemies it would be understandable.

BUT, when you declare any country with a different system and/or set of values to be the enemy, especially when they've shown no aggression other than disagreeing with your choice of system, then you are a jingoistic bully... deserving to lose.

Why are you the only one allowed self determination? Are you so unsure of the value and strength of your system you must eliminate all competition? Is it necessary to have the military seek out competitors and smack the in the knee with a club so you can win a medal?

Think about who the enemy really is, next time you're at walmart buying a Chinese made American flag.... to save yourself 50 cents.

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 12:55 PM

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Therefore, they should lose and we should win.

Oh, well....at least we know what should happen eh?

Urbane, your government and my government have taken us into an unwinnable war. Maybe, if it had been done differently, it might have been winnable once, but it isn't now.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-13-2007, 12:57 PM

So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana.

Griff · 07-13-2007, 01:01 PM

[neo]C'mon! Let's bomb Iran.[/con]

DanaC · 07-13-2007, 01:01 PM

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So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana.

No. That's true. And neither are we. As to why should they win? Because we cannot win this war. Not definitively. It's nothing to do with how tall they are, but rather the nature of the conflict and the geography of the theatre.

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2007, 02:33 PM

If they were ten feet tall, maybe we could win. But they look just like, and in most cases are, the people we claim to be there to help. Many mistakes we make (and many bits of collateral damage if those aren't counted as mistakes) when attempting to kill the bad guys make more bad guys. Even when the guys we get are bad guys, it may not be believed, and thus generate more bad guys. Heck, just being there generates more bad guys.

You can't play whack-a-mole against oobleck. Or a cat-in-the-hat-bathtub-ring.

Undertoad · 07-13-2007, 02:37 PM

If just being in the presence of westerners turns good guys into bad guys, they were bad to begin with.

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2007, 02:41 PM

The presence of any foreign army would turn many American citizens into what that army would consider bad guys.

Undertoad · 07-13-2007, 03:52 PM

Would you do that HM? Would you be a bad guy?

07-13-2007, 03:13 AM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	UG, you know the world is much more detailed and complicated than black and white right? Last edited by piercehawkeye45; 07-13-2007 at 03:18 AM.

07-13-2007, 12:52 PM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Bruce, can you ever get it through your head that our self-made and explicitly self declared enemies, who have been busily bloodying us since about 1983, are simply not our fault?? They are their own fault. Therefore, they should lose and we should win. Democracy should win despite anything the undemocrats can do or say. When the last dictator kicks out his last moments hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, how much woe will have fled our world? There is really my sole concern, Bruce. What else is there? What else could there be? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	So the shitbags win? Why should they? What's so invincible about them? They aren't ten feet tall, Dana. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-13-2007, 01:01 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	[neo]C'mon! Let's bomb Iran.[/con] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-13-2007, 02:33 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If they were ten feet tall, maybe we could win. But they look just like, and in most cases are, the people we claim to be there to help. Many mistakes we make (and many bits of collateral damage if those aren't counted as mistakes) when attempting to kill the bad guys make more bad guys. Even when the guys we get are bad guys, it may not be believed, and thus generate more bad guys. Heck, just being there generates more bad guys. You can't play whack-a-mole against oobleck. Or a cat-in-the-hat-bathtub-ring. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-13-2007, 01:58 AM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I hatz me a' commie! (I like their posters and hats though)

07-13-2007, 04:15 AM	#3
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Sure, but it sure as hell ain't red. Some of us have a sense of humor too... Commies do hatz them some freedomz thou.

07-13-2007, 04:53 AM	#4
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Good thing I'm not a commie then huh?

07-13-2007, 02:37 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If just being in the presence of westerners turns good guys into bad guys, they were bad to begin with.

07-13-2007, 02:41 PM	#14
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The presence of any foreign army would turn many American citizens into what that army would consider bad guys. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-13-2007, 03:52 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Would you do that HM? Would you be a bad guy?

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