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Old 12-08-2009, 06:04 PM   #1
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You're letting your anger make you petty, man. Everything I've said so far supports coming up with hypotheticals and then being allowed to test them.
But you don't support arguing with them without testing them. That was my point and you have made it.

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Really? You want to go back to the whole "the medical field is a sainted profession that can do no wrong" stance?
I have not made such a statement, and haven't made it now.

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Obviously some scientists can, have, and will continue to do some great things. It helps when there's money in a cure, as all those medical problems above require treatment and medicines to be corrected. There's no money in it if the cure is to stop doing something.
You will have to add that asterisk to your conspiracy theory. Tell you what, why don't you just tell us your entire theory at once so that you don't have to pull it out of me somehow. Anyone with money does what now?

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Of course, as you're so fond of pointing out, the truth always does come out eventually, especially if the problem is a growing one. What is your opinion of the recent study that I linked earlier in the thread, demonstrating that the Hepatitis B vaccination given at birth categorically caused developmental delays in newborn monkeys?
It's a small sample and not double-blind, but it's an interesting counterpart to the human studies. But moot for our purposes since thimerosal is not given to human newborns.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:49 PM   #2
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But you don't support arguing with them without testing them. That was my point and you have made it.
No, I don't support concluding with them without testing. But if the tests are being refused, then yes, you can argue the possibility of their existence as evidence that testing should be done.

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It's a small sample and not double-blind, but it's an interesting counterpart to the human studies. But moot for our purposes since thimerosal is not given to human newborns.
First, it was double-blind, in that the researchers classifying the monkeys' developmental progress did not know which ones had been vaccinated, and the monkeys had no idea what was going on.

Second, it was not a "counterpart" to the human studies because there have been no human safety studies with the Hepatitis B vaccination, nor most of the other vaccinations on the infant schedule, nor any combination of them together. There was one study that linked a particular brand of Hepatitis B vaccine to an increased risk of a non-autistic neurological disorder, but that would put the monkey study on the same side as the human studies, not a counterpart.

Third, I didn't realize that our purposes at this moment were still on thimerosal. I'm not sure based on your comment if you do realize that the Hepatitis B vaccine gave developmental delays to monkeys without containing thimerosal, but if so forgive me for unfairly changing the subject. But you may expect that I'll inadvertently do it again in the future, because my purposes are not limited in scope that way. I said it pages ago, and I'll say it again: It's not just the MMR, and it's not just autism. It's also not just mercury, and not just dystonia.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:28 PM   #3
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First, it was double-blind, in that the researchers classifying the monkeys' developmental progress did not know which ones had been vaccinated, and the monkeys had no idea what was going on.
Your link didn't mention anything blind about it. (ETA: found it in the abstract, fine)

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Second, it was not a "counterpart" to the human studies because there have been no human safety studies with the Hepatitis B vaccination
http://www.nfid.org/library/hepb_safety.shtml

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Hepatitis B vaccines have been shown to be very safe when given to infants, children or adults (CDC, 1991 a; Greenberg, 1993). More than 20 million persons have received hepatitis B vaccine in the United States and more than 500 million persons have received the vaccine worldwide. The most common side effects from hepatitis B vaccination are pain at the injection site and mild to moderate fever (Szmuness, 1980; Francis, 1982; Zajac, 1986; Stevens, 1985; Andre, 1989; Greenberg, 1993). Studies show that these side effects are reported no more frequently among those vaccinated than among persons not receiving vaccine (Szmuness, 1980; Francis, 1982). Among children receiving both hepatitis B vaccine and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine, these mild side effects have been observed no more frequently than among children receiving DTP vaccine alone (CDC, 1991 a; Greenberg, 1993).
There's seven of them in this page alone.

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Third, I didn't realize that our purposes at this moment were still on thimerosal. I'm not sure based on your comment if you do realize that the Hepatitis B vaccine gave developmental delays to monkeys without containing thimerosal, but if so forgive me for unfairly changing the subject.
You'll have to point to that study as I am unaware of it.

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But you may expect that I'll inadvertently do it again in the future, because my purposes are not limited in scope that way. I said it pages ago, and I'll say it again: It's not just the MMR, and it's not just autism. It's also not just mercury, and not just dystonia.
"Look! J'accuse! This monkey study shows a problem with Hep B and thimerosal!"

"But numerous other studies show both are safe."

"What? I don't care - it's really about all the vaccines and all the additives!"

*sigh* then I suppose you won't bring up any more single-substance studies.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:59 PM   #4
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You will have to add that asterisk to your conspiracy theory. Tell you what, why don't you just tell us your entire theory at once so that you don't have to pull it out of me somehow. Anyone with money does what now?
You're the one who keeps calling it a conspiracy theory. I think that, just like some climate scientists, vaccine researchers are avoiding or outright fudging their data because they fundamentally believe they are right, and they feel it is a higher moral goal to convince the public they are right, even if it goes against the data.

People with money fund studies. By and large, this is pharmaceutical companies and equipment manufacturers. There are a lesser amount of public institutions that also fund studies, but they are usually hospitals and research facilities themselves that depend on the larger money from the pharmaceutical companies. And there are a handful of government agencies who are supposed to balance out the inherent bias that's going to be found in which studies get chosen by corporations. Usually they do a decent job of it, but they haven't been in this case. I suspect it's both because of the "means to an end" mentality I mentioned before, in addition to the fact that they are financially on the hook for billions of dollars if the hypothesis turns out to be true.

Almost all autism research that focuses on environmental sources has been privately funded by very small donors--and almost always there is a child with autism in the family. If I'm ever a 'person with money' in the largesse sense of the word, you can bet I'll be funding studies left and right. But until then, I rely on public funding to do good science. Instead, they're paying people to sit in a room dissecting the auditory properties of newborns' crying.
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:29 PM   #5
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Can you just please point to those posts where I said how intelligent and logical I am. So I can apologize appropriately.

(Posts in which I point out illogic don't count.)
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:24 PM   #6
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http://www.nfid.org/library/hepb_safety.shtml
The Hepatitis B vaccine was much later in the schedule until 1991, when it was moved to the day of birth. So throw out every study except (Greenburg, 1993,) because they weren't testing babies getting injected on the day they're born. The Greenburg study doesn't seem to be available online, but I'd be interested to see how long they followed the babies' progress, since autistic symptoms are not usually diagnosed until two years later. Just looking for symptoms for 3-4 weeks after the shot won't reveal long-term immunological damage.

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You'll have to point to that study as I am unaware of it.
Maybe I don't understand what you're asking for here... It's the same study I was talking about earlier in the post. They compared unvaccinated monkeys, monkeys giving just a plain Hepatitis B vaccine, and monkeys given a Hepatitis B vaccine containing thimerosal. The plain-vaccine monkeys showed delays, the thimerosal-vaccine monkeys showed greater delays.

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"Look! J'accuse! This monkey study shows a problem with Hep B and thimerosal!"

"But numerous other studies show both are safe."

"What? I don't care - it's really about all the vaccines and all the additives!"

*sigh* then I suppose you won't bring up any more single-substance studies.
Once again, numerous studies do not show that the current adminstration methods of the Hepatitis B vaccine are safe. And numerous studies show quite the opposite of thimerosal; that it can be very unsafe, especially in younger babies and fetuses. Each individual part has its own risks, and there is a cumulative risk when you start stacking them one on top of the other. If you eat one bag of Doritos, your risk of stomach upset and atherosclerosis is there, but relatively low. If you eat a bag of Doritos every day, your risk of stomach upset and atherosclerosis is much higher. If you feed a baby a bag of Doritos every day, the effects will be much more stark than they are in an adult. I'm not sure why you seem to have a hard time understanding this.
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:47 PM   #7
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Maybe I don't understand what you're asking for here... It's the same study I was talking about earlier in the post.
Maybe we're looking at different studies. Re-link to the one you're talking about.

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I'm not sure why you seem to have a hard time understanding this.
I understand it perfectly.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:15 AM   #8
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Maybe we're looking at different studies. Re-link to the one you're talking about.
Ah, my mistake. The one that was linked earlier in the thread was just Hepatitis B including thimerosal. The other one doesn't seem to have been published yet; I read about it in an email alert from the research facility. They're doing the entire vaccination schedule, American (no thimerosal) and developing country (with thimerosal) versions, and they're getting completed and published one at a time.
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:51 PM   #9
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Each individual part has its own risks, and there is a cumulative risk when you start stacking them one on top of the other.
Another day, more reading! This review article summarizes a number of studies. Here is the section on "too many vaccines".

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The notion that children might be receiving too many vaccines too soon and that these vaccines either overwhelm an immature immune system or generate a pathologic, autism‐inducing autoimmune response is flawed for several reasons:

1.Vaccines do not overwhelm the immune system. Although the infant immune system is relatively naive, it is immediately capable of generating a vast array of protective responses; even conservative estimates predict the capacity to respond to thousands of vaccines simultaneously [30]. Consistent with this theoretical exercise, combinations of vaccines induce immune responses comparable to those given individually [31]. Also, although the number of recommended childhood vaccines has increased during the past 30 years, with advances in protein chemistry and recombinant DNA technology, the immunologic load has actually decreased. The 14 vaccines given today contain <200 bacterial and viral proteins or polysaccharides, compared with >3000 of these immunological components in the 7 vaccines administered in 1980 [30]. Further, vaccines represent a minute fraction of what a child’s immune system routinely navigates; the average child is infected with 4–6 viruses per year [32]. The immune response elicited from the vast antigen exposure of unattenuated viral replication supersedes that of even multiple, simultaneous vaccines.

2.Multiple vaccinations do not weaken the immune system. Vaccinated and unvaccinated children do not differ in their susceptibility to infections not prevented by vaccines [3335]. In other words, vaccination does not suppress the immune system in a clinically relevant manner. However, infections with some vaccine‐preventable diseases predispose children to severe, invasive infections with other pathogens [36, 37]. Therefore, the available data suggest that vaccines do not weaken the immune system.

3.Autism is not an immune‐mediated disease. Unlike autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis, there is no evidence of immune activation or inflammatory lesions in the CNS of people with autism [38]. In fact, current data suggest that genetic variation in neuronal circuitry that affects synaptic development might in part account for autistic behavior [39]. Thus, speculation that an exaggerated or inappropriate immune response to vaccination precipitates autism is at variance with current scientific data that address the pathogenesis of autism.

4.No studies have compared the incidence of autism in vaccinated, unvaccinated, or alternatively vaccinated children (i.e., schedules that spread out vaccines, avoid combination vaccines, or include only select vaccines). These studies would be difficult to perform because of the likely differences among these 3 groups in health care seeking behavior and the ethics of experimentally studying children who have not received vaccines.
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Old 12-09-2009, 04:14 PM   #10
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1.Vaccines do not overwhelm the immune system. Although the infant immune system is relatively naive, it is immediately capable of generating a vast array of protective responses; even conservative estimates predict the capacity to respond to thousands of vaccines simultaneously
The idea is not that it overwhelms the immune system, it is that it artificially overstimulates it. It is not the viruses that are the problem, as indeed, babies encounter viruses every day. It is the adjuvants which deliberately induce an overreaction of the immune system, and they are not substances the average baby would come in contact with at all.

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Also, although the number of recommended childhood vaccines has increased during the past 30 years, with advances in protein chemistry and recombinant DNA technology, the immunologic load has actually decreased. The 14 vaccines given today contain <200 bacterial and viral proteins or polysaccharides, compared with >3000 of these immunological components in the 7 vaccines administered in 1980
Again, it is irrelevant that there are fewer bacteriological proteins in the number of vaccines today, as the number of adjuvant doses has gone up in precise accordance with the number of shots. As I have pointed out before, in countries where it is the norm to deliver the vaccinations through a breathing treatment, with no adjuvant necessary, the autism rate is vastly lower.

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Further, vaccines represent a minute fraction of what a child’s immune system routinely navigates; the average child is infected with 4–6 viruses per year [32]. The immune response elicited from the vast antigen exposure of unattenuated viral replication supersedes that of even multiple, simultaneous vaccines.
A normal child, yes. Autistic children generally fall into one of two categories: either they are infected with 4-6 viruses about every two months (the immune system is not responding,) or they are infected with 0 viruses a year (the immune system is over-responding.)

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3.Autism is not an immune‐mediated disease. Unlike autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis, there is no evidence of immune activation or inflammatory lesions in the CNS of people with autism [38].
There is, in fact, plenty of evidence of immune activation and inflammatory lesions. The lesions are usually in the intestines. Here is a gastroenterologist's testimony on it before Congress, including pictures of said lesions from the pill cams that he routinely sends down his autistic patients' gullets.

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4.No studies have compared the incidence of autism in vaccinated, unvaccinated, or alternatively vaccinated children (i.e., schedules that spread out vaccines, avoid combination vaccines, or include only select vaccines). These studies would be difficult to perform because of the likely differences among these 3 groups in health care seeking behavior and the ethics of experimentally studying children who have not received vaccines.
Right. No studies have been done, and our only excuse is because it would be unethical not to give vaccines, even to volunteers, because we are so certain they are good.
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Old 12-09-2009, 05:17 PM   #11
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The idea is not that it overwhelms the immune system, it is that it artificially overstimulates it. It is not the viruses that are the problem, as indeed, babies encounter viruses every day. It is the adjuvants which deliberately induce an overreaction of the immune system, and they are not substances the average baby would come in contact with at all.
Another way to think of adjuvants is: anything the immune system has to fight off. So if a baby eats a something off the ground, bam, probably several hundred adjuvants in it.

So: babies fighting off more stuff today? Or more 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago?

By the way, since we last talked about squalene, I've learned that the human body produces it normally, in the sebaceous glands.

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All higher organisms produce squalene, including humans. Squalene has been proposed to be a important part of the Mediterranean diet as it may be a chemopreventative substance that protects people from cancer.
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A normal child, yes. Autistic children generally fall into one of two categories: either they are infected with 4-6 viruses about every two months (the immune system is not responding,) or they are infected with 0 viruses a year (the immune system is over-responding.)
Now you've got my attention. Cite?

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There is, in fact, plenty of evidence of immune activation and inflammatory lesions. The lesions are usually in the intestines.
The article suggested that lesions in the central nervous system, not the intestines, are the indicator of autoimmune disease that affects... the things that the nervous system runs! Is the article wrong?
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Old 12-09-2009, 04:24 PM   #12
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Right. No studies have been done, and our only excuse is because it would be unethical not to give vaccines, even to volunteers, because we are so certain they are good.
The issues here are obviously that if they did allow a study using volunteers, there are too many variables for starters. Secondly, what if the study did show that children who didn't receive vaccines were worse off? What do you think the outcome would be then? Lawsuits? Thirdly, unvaccinated children are less at risk of the diseases in vaccines because of the greater percentage of children covered. What do you think the infant mortality and/or permanent physical or neurological damage rate was prior to vaccination, and how can a real study be done when the circumstances of with and without vaccines is impossible?
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Old 12-09-2009, 05:43 PM   #13
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The article suggested that lesions in the central nervous system, not the intestines, are the indicator of autoimmune disease that affects behavior. Is the article wrong?
Yes. Because as I've said from the beginning, most if not all of the behaviors are not neurological at all, and not forcibly generated by the lesions; the behavior is in fact an entirely normal response to being in constant, searing pain 24 hours a day and being unable to communicate about it. Ask dar512 to describe his Crohn's pain at its worst, with no medications to help, and now pretend you are a toddler with no understanding of what is going on, and no way to tell anyone what hurts. Autistic kids beat their heads against walls because it is an over-sensory distraction from the pain. Autistic kids scream and fling themselves on the floor because they are in pain. Autistic kids can't focus on anything or remember anything they are taught partly because they are in pain. These are the behaviors that are improved with gastrointestinal interventions. There are other pieces to the treatment that must go hand-in-hand, but the gastrointestinal treatment is a big part of it.

My son is thrilled to be drinking his nasty-ass liquid formula all day long. You can hold out his favorite cookie and ask him if he wants it, and he will tell you no. Because he's not in pain anymore, and he's sharp enough to recognize what made him feel better. After only two weeks on the formula, he's suddenly starting to have honest-to-God conversations with me.

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Now you've got my attention. Cite?
Personal experience for the most part. I know there are cites available, though, and I will try to find one for you later this afternoon. Gotta go get dinner started right now.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:09 PM   #14
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Yes. Because as I've said from the beginning, most if not all of the behaviors are not neurological at all, and not forcibly generated by the lesions; the behavior is in fact an entirely normal response to being in constant, searing pain 24 hours a day and being unable to communicate about it. Ask dar512 to describe his Crohn's pain at its worst, with no medications to help, and now pretend you are a toddler with no understanding of what is going on, and no way to tell anyone what hurts. Autistic kids beat their heads against walls because it is an over-sensory distraction from the pain. Autistic kids scream and fling themselves on the floor because they are in pain. Autistic kids can't focus on anything or remember anything they are taught partly because they are in pain. These are the behaviors that are improved with gastrointestinal interventions. There are other pieces to the treatment that must go hand-in-hand, but the gastrointestinal treatment is a big part of it.
Yes neurological and yes biomedical treatment is a means of providing a healthy nervous system response but not a means to an end.


There are too many variables and too many levels of competency in individuals to lump all behaviors 'as attributed to pain.'

I've seen a lot of head bangers. Kickers screamers and hair pullers. yes Some were in pain because their stomach hurt but most were just pissed because the tag in the back of the t shirt tickled too much or someone wore perfume or maybe the light was too bright or someone was making noise.

And those are the bad behaviors. There are plenty of good behaviors too in association with autism and they are not gut related.

[edit] I should say that these people had no verbal communication skills. Not having any verbal communication skills or the ability to convey wants and needs is very frustrating and leads to aggressive and SIB behavior.

High functioning individuals have fewer episodes of aggression if behavior modification and training take place. A person who can self monitor their diet is even in a better place as far as positive behaviors but I've never seen a diet be the end all for a person/child with true autism.

Behaviors is a large vague word. Behaviors are multi faceted and interconnected on so many physiological levels.

I do agree that the stomach and intestines can be messed up and if curing/soothing/balancing that piece removes a child/person from the autism spectrum because all behaviors of that diagnosis no longer appear then that child never had autism to begin with.


I do get and see where you are coming from but saying most behaviors are not neurological is disinformation.

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Old 12-09-2009, 06:21 PM   #15
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I don't have access to any of the actual papers, but here is a complete list of cites regarding the autoimmune component of autism, and I bolded the ones that I would guess include examination of the over- or underactive attributes:



Ashwood P, Kwong C, Hansen R, Hertz-Picciotto I, Croen L, Krakowiak P, Walker W, Pessah IN, Van de Water J. Brief report: plasma leptin levels are elevated in autism: association with early onset phenotype? J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jan;38(1):169-75.

Ashwood P, et al. Spontaneous mucosal lymphocyte cytokine profiles in children with autism and gastrointestinal symptoms: mucosal immune activation and reduced counter regulatory interleukin-10. J Clin Immunol. 2004 Nov;24(6):664-73.

Ashwood P, Van de Water J. Is autism an autoimmune disease? Autoimmun Rev. 2004 Nov;3(7-8):557-62.

Ashwood P, et al. The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research. J Leuk Biol. 2006 Jul:80;1-15.

Bayary J, et al. Intravenous immunoglobulin in autoimmune disorders: an insight into the immunoregulatory mechanisms. Int Immunopharmacol. 2006 Apr;6(4):528-34.
Boris M, et al. Improvement in children treated with intravenous gamma globulin. J Nutr Environmental Med. Dec 2006; 15(4):1-8.

Boris M, et al. Effect of Pioglitazone treatment on behavioral symptoms in autistic children. J Neuroinflammation. 2007 Jan 5;4:3.

Bradstreet JJ, Smith S, Granpeesheh D, El-Dahr JM, Rossignol D. Spironolactone Might be a Desirable Immunologic and Hormonal Intervention in Autism Spectrum Disorders. Med Hypotheses. 2006 Dec 4.

Brandtzaeg P. Current Understanding of Gastrointestinal Immunoregulation and Its Relation to Food Allergy. Ann NY Acad Sci. 2002;964:14-45.

Braunschweig D, et al. Autism: Maternally derived antibodies specific for fetal brain proteins. Neurotoxicology. 2007 Nov 6.

Bray TM, Taylor CG. Enhancement of tissue glutathione for antioxidant and immune functions in malnutrition. Biochem Pharmacol. 1994 Jun 15;47(12):2113-23.

Cabanlit M, Wills S, Goines P, Ashwood P, Van de Water J. Brain-specific autoantibodies in the plasma of subjects with autistic spectrum disorder. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Jun;1107:92-103.

Cave SF. The history of vaccinations in the light of the autism epidemic. Altern Ther Health Med. 2008 Nov-Dec;14(6):54-7.

Chinetti G, Fruchart JC, Staels B. Peroxisome proliferators-activated receptors (PPAR): nuclear receptors at the crossroads between lipid metabolism and inflammation. Inflamm Res 2000;49:497-505.

Cohly HH, Panja A. Immunological findings in autism. Int Rev Neurobiol. 2005;71:317-41.

Chmelik, E., N. Awadallah, et al. (2004). Varied presentation of PANDAS: a case series. Clin Pediatr (Phila) 43(4): 379-82.

Connolly AM, Chez MG, Pestronk A, Arnold ST, Mehta S, Deuel RK. Serum autoantibodies to brain in Landau-Kleffner variant, autism, and other neurologic disorders. J Pediatr. 1999 May;134(5):607-13.

Croen LA, Grether JK, Yoshida CK, Odouli R, Van de Water J. Maternal autoimmune diseases, asthma and allergies, and childhood autism spectrum disorders: a case-control study. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005 Feb;159(2):151-7.

Croonenberghs J, Wauters A, Devreese K, Verkerk R, Scharpe S, Bosmans E, Egyed B, Deboutte D, Maes M. Increased serum albumin, gamma globulin, immunoglobulin IgG, and IgG2 and IgG4 in autism. Psychol Med. 2002 Nov;32(8):1457-63.

Croonenberghs J, et al. Activation of the inflammatory response system in autism. Neuropsychobiology 2002, 45(1):1-6.

Cross ML. Immune-signalling by orally-delivered probiotic bacteria: effects on common mucosal immunoresponses and protection at distal mucosal sites. Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 May-Aug;17(2):127-34.

Dalton P, et al. Maternal neuronal antibodies associated with autism and a language disorder. Ann Neurol. 2003 Apr;53(4):533-7. DelGiudice-Asch G, Simon L, Schmeidler J, Cunningham-Rundles C, Hollander E. Brief report: A pilot open clinical trial of intravenous immunoglobulin in childhood autism. J Autism Dev Disord. 1999:29(2):157-60.

Denney DR, et al. Lymphocyte subsets and interleukin-2 receptors in autistic children. J Autism Dev Disord. 1996 Feb;26(1):87-97.

Dietert RR, Dietert JM. Potential for early-life immune insult including developmental immunotoxicity in autism and autism spectrum disorders: focus on critical windows of immune vulnerability.J Toxicol Environ Health B Crit Rev. 2008 Oct;11(8):660-80.

Drakes M, Blanchard T, Czinn S. Bacterial probiotic modulation of dendritic cells. Infect Immun. 2004 Jun;72(6):3299-309.

Droge W, Breitkreutz R. Glutathione and immune function. Proc Nutr Soc. 2000 Nov;59(4):595-600. Elchaar GM, Maisch NM, Augusto LM, Wehring HJ. Efficacy and safety of naltrexone use in pediatric patients with autistic disorder. Ann Pharmacother. 2006 Jun;40(6):1086-95.

Engstrom HA, Ohlson S, Stubbs EG, Maciulis A, Caldwell V, Odell JD, Torres A.R. Decreased Expression of CD95 (FAS/APO-1) on CD4+ T-lymphocytes from Participants with Autism. J Dev Phys Disabil. 2003 Jun 15;2:155-163(9).

Ferrante P, Saresella M, Guerini FR, Marzorati M, Musetti MC, Cazzullo AG. Significant association of HLA A2-DR11 with CD4 naive decrease in autistic children. Biomed Pharmacother. 2003 Oct;57(8):372-4.

Feinstein DL. Therapeutic potential of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor agonists for neurological disease. Diabetes Technol Ther. 2003;5(1):67-73.

Fudenberg HH. Dialysable lymphocyte extract (DLyE) in infantile onset autism: a pilot study. Biotherapy. 1996;9(1-3):143-7.

Furlano RI, et al. Autism and the immune system. J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 1997 Mar;38(3):337-49.Griem P., et al.; Allergic and autoimmune reactions to xenobiotics: how do they arise? Immunology Today 19: 133-141, 1998.

Gao HM, Hong JS. Why neurodegenerative diseases are progressive: uncontrolled inflammation drives disease progression. Trends Immunol. 2008 Aug;29(8):357-65.

Geier DA, Geier MR. A Clinical and Laboratory Evaluation of Methionine Cycle-Transsulfuration and Androgen Pathway Markers in Children with Autistic Disorders. Horm Res. 2006 Jul 5;66(4):182-188.

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