The slippery slope - Page 4

07-06-2006, 12:29 AM

Don't be tolerant, you are free not to be, just like I don't like the smell of stores that have tons of potpourri and nail salons... I just don't go in there, even though that is what those people do on their private property and want in their shops.
I have brains enough to do that without being so egomaniacal that I feel that I have to force everyone to do what I like, I guess some don't.

tw · 07-06-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

... I don't like the smell of stores that have tons of potpourri and nail salons... I just don't go in there, even though that is what those people do on their private property and want in their shops.

"I don't like" is not relevant. We are talking about attacks to healthy people by intolerant drug addicts. It's not about 'what I like'. It’s about assault. Just like urinating and defecating on public streets is considered an assault on the public's health.

Ibby · 07-06-2006, 02:14 PM

Okay then, tw, take me for example. I get AWFUL migranes from certain smells, sometimes. The nearly visible cloud of perfume and cologne that surrounds the beauty section of most department stores is absolutely awful to me. But do I say that nobody should be allowed to sell or even wear perfume because the smell gives me excruciating headaches? No, I just shop somewhere else or avoid that section of the store.

tw · 07-06-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Okay then, tw, take me for example. I get AWFUL migranes from certain smells, sometimes. The nearly visible cloud of perfume and cologne that surrounds the beauty section of most department stores is absolutely awful to me.

But are those perfumes killing you? No. Big difference. 'Slam dunk' Those cigarette addicts are attacking your body. Not just headaches. It is an attack of your health.

Notice the minute one of those perfumes puts out a toxic odor, that perfume must be immediately eliminated. It's not about what you 'feel'. Its about science and logic. Cigarette smoke is an attack not on how you 'feel'. It is an attack on the public health.

Ibby · 07-06-2006, 02:39 PM

So migranes are less harmful to me than a whiff of smoke?

I lived in Beijing, where the air was more smoke than not, for three years. I dont have lung cancer. I feel no ill effects of the smoke. If three years of breathing it almost constantly didnt hurt me, but two seconds sniffing concentrated perfume gives me a blinding migrane, I'd personally say the perfume is more of a threat to me.

07-06-2006, 02:47 PM

No shit... I hate it when someone sprays that crap on and gets into an elevator. So rude.
Let's outlaw it!!! LOL... sound familiar? "Slam dunk" dur.
The acetone in a nail salon is toxic as are cooking fumes, but no one wants to outlaw those establishments... as they should not.
Because we believe in freedom.

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Originally Posted by tw

"I don't like" is not relevant. We are talking about attacks to healthy people by intolerant drug addicts. It's not about 'what I like'. It’s about assault. Just like urinating and defecating on public streets is considered an assault on the public's health.

But we are talking about private property, now aren't we?
Again, not all who smoke are addicted, are you having trouble reading this? Seems like you are the one on drugs.

Ibby · 07-06-2006, 02:53 PM

Now I've said this before, but before tw flips out at me for it, I'm going to pre-emptively defend myself (LYK O NO U PREMTVLY DEFNDED U R LYK MENTL MIGET!!!one!1!eleven). I am personally against smoking in general, and if someone was smoking around me I would ask them to stop, probably. I would be one of the people who goes the the OTHER restaurant. But I completely support the right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property.

tw · 07-07-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I would be one of the people who goes the the OTHER restaurant. But I completely support the right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property.

In some towns, there is no other restaurant. They all condone smoking. The other restaurant means going to NY or NJ.

Meanwhile, I believe everyone agrees with this: right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property. Not to be confused with a privately owned public establishment.

9th Engineer · 07-07-2006, 06:28 PM

By the argument being made public nudity should also be legal. Damned be those who don't want to look at certain parts of peoples bodies! After all, it's that person's body not yours and you can choose not to look.

tw · 07-07-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

By the argument being made public nudity should also be legal.

You mean this is illegal?
Spencer Tunick in Switzerland

xoxoxoBruce · 07-07-2006, 10:16 PM

I remember reading some time ago, some state probably CA, passed a law you couldn't smoke in your own house in you had a contractor/repairman/employee working there. Anybody heard of that?

07-07-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

In some towns, there is no other restaurant. They all condone smoking. The other restaurant means going to NY or NJ.

Meanwhile, I believe everyone agrees with this: right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property. Not to be confused with a privately owned public establishment.

"Privately owned public establishment"? LOL!!!

07-06-2006, 02:59 PM

As would I.
I don't like smoke around my food and don't like cigarette smoke.
But, I like being a fascist much less.

BigV · 07-07-2006, 06:36 PM

And the fault in the logic about the perfume example is that while both perfume and cigarette smoke extend beyond the user of the product, the vast majority of people exposed to perfume suffer no ill health effects from such exposure. In contrast, the vast majority of people exposed to cigarette smoke do suffer ill health effects.

It's a public health issue.

Happy Monkey · 07-07-2006, 11:33 PM

Not that funny. They're all over the place. Often called stores, restauraunts, malls, etc.

07-06-2006, 02:14 PM	#3
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Okay then, tw, take me for example. I get AWFUL migranes from certain smells, sometimes. The nearly visible cloud of perfume and cologne that surrounds the beauty section of most department stores is absolutely awful to me. But do I say that nobody should be allowed to sell or even wear perfume because the smell gives me excruciating headaches? No, I just shop somewhere else or avoid that section of the store. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-06-2006, 02:39 PM	#5
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	So migranes are less harmful to me than a whiff of smoke? I lived in Beijing, where the air was more smoke than not, for three years. I dont have lung cancer. I feel no ill effects of the smoke. If three years of breathing it almost constantly didnt hurt me, but two seconds sniffing concentrated perfume gives me a blinding migrane, I'd personally say the perfume is more of a threat to me. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-06-2006, 02:53 PM	#7
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Now I've said this before, but before tw flips out at me for it, I'm going to pre-emptively defend myself (LYK O NO U PREMTVLY DEFNDED U R LYK MENTL MIGET!!!one!1!eleven). I am personally against smoking in general, and if someone was smoking around me I would ask them to stop, probably. I would be one of the people who goes the the OTHER restaurant. But I completely support the right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-07-2006, 06:28 PM	#9
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	By the argument being made public nudity should also be legal. Damned be those who don't want to look at certain parts of peoples bodies! After all, it's that person's body not yours and you can choose not to look. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

07-07-2006, 10:16 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I remember reading some time ago, some state probably CA, passed a law you couldn't smoke in your own house in you had a contractor/repairman/employee working there. Anybody heard of that? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-06-2006, 12:29 AM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Don't be tolerant, you are free not to be, just like I don't like the smell of stores that have tons of potpourri and nail salons... I just don't go in there, even though that is what those people do on their private property and want in their shops. I have brains enough to do that without being so egomaniacal that I feel that I have to force everyone to do what I like, I guess some don't.

07-06-2006, 02:59 PM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	As would I. I don't like smoke around my food and don't like cigarette smoke. But, I like being a fascist much less.

07-07-2006, 06:36 PM	#14
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	And the fault in the logic about the perfume example is that while both perfume and cigarette smoke extend beyond the user of the product, the vast majority of people exposed to perfume suffer no ill health effects from such exposure. In contrast, the vast majority of people exposed to cigarette smoke do suffer ill health effects. It's a public health issue. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

07-07-2006, 11:33 PM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not that funny. They're all over the place. Often called stores, restauraunts, malls, etc. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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