A stunning report from ABC News? - Page 4

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-27-2006, 09:54 PM

Jay, come on, what's better? A world brimful of libertarian democracies, all with wealth and opportunity? Really, that's all any human asks for. Or a world stifled under the totalitarians' boots? Any student of economics could answer this one right.

We don't really have an illegal-immigration problem: other countries have a no-middle-class/no-libertarianism/not-much-free-market problem. Nothing we do north of the border is really going to affect matters.

Praying for us will at least be innocuous.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-31-2006, 11:28 PM

What you mental maladroits have great trouble understanding is there is no rights-trampling going on. What IS happening is the Administration has been trying to exert war powers without a declaration of war, nor, alas, any likelihood of having one. This is not quite a cleft stick, but definitely in the realm of between a rock and a hard place.

It's the rock and hard place the next Administration will be between also. Wars of insurgency are pretty open-ended. We should be open-ended about it too.

Test your civil liberties. How many of you have been arrested for your Bush bashing here? How many of you can't go to church? Been jailed for submitting a grievance or petition? Go out and buy a gun in town -- is that forbidden? How many infantrymen are quartered in your basement or living room? Any unreasonable SOB searched your skivvies while you were in them? Have you been made to incriminate yourself after getting busted for Bush bashing? Et bloody damn cetera.

Getting abuse from leftists and other peculiar mooncalves is, of course, a badge of honor. Recall the behavior of the "confederacy of dunces." Dunces who can't spell faithful, which is hardly the most challenging of words.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-31-2006, 11:40 PM

I couldn't name a one of those "US citizens," rkzen.

The man and his cabinet are fighting a war pressed upon us by other people -- and after prolonged effort. Their lot has been committing acts of war against us since the first half of 1983, and had been very publicly working up to it for ten years previous to that.

I say we've been entirely too long-suffering. Let's alter their entire set of political equations and power balances. Democracies are better behaved than un-democracies. Where are the democracies not? Those are the places our troubles come from.

10-31-2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

What you mental maladroits have great trouble understanding is there is no rights-trampling going on. What IS happening is the Administration has been trying to exert war powers without a declaration of war, nor, alas, any likelihood of having one. This is not quite a cleft stick, but definitely in the realm of between a rock and a hard place.

It's the rock and hard place the next Administration will be between also. Wars of insurgency are pretty open-ended. We should be open-ended about it too.

Test your civil liberties. How many of you have been arrested for your Bush bashing here? How many of you can't go to church? Been jailed for submitting a grievance or petition? Go out and buy a gun in town -- is that forbidden? How many infantrymen are quartered in your basement or living room? Any unreasonable SOB searched your skivvies while you were in them? Have you been made to incriminate yourself after getting busted for Bush bashing? Et bloody damn cetera.

Getting abuse from leftists and other peculiar mooncalves is, of course, a badge of honor. Recall the behavior of the "confederacy of dunces." Dunces who can't spell faithful, which is hardly the most challenging of words.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

If we use their tactics, we are them.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 08:10 PM

Rkzen, I view that as a fallacy: Nazi Germany conquered the greater part of Europe. Then we, the Allies, conquered it right back. We weren't, and aren't now, Nazis.

We win the war against them, we aren't them. Lose it, and what are our choices? Offhand, I'd say they are between become them and fight another, larger, more ruinous war. Nuclear attacks definitely fall under the heading of "ruinous."

10-27-2006, 09:54 PM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Jay, come on, what's better? A world brimful of libertarian democracies, all with wealth and opportunity? Really, that's all any human asks for. Or a world stifled under the totalitarians' boots? Any student of economics could answer this one right. We don't really have an illegal-immigration problem: other countries have a no-middle-class/no-libertarianism/not-much-free-market problem. Nothing we do north of the border is really going to affect matters. Praying for us will at least be innocuous. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-31-2006, 11:28 PM	#2
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	What you mental maladroits have great trouble understanding is there is no rights-trampling going on. What IS happening is the Administration has been trying to exert war powers without a declaration of war, nor, alas, any likelihood of having one. This is not quite a cleft stick, but definitely in the realm of between a rock and a hard place. It's the rock and hard place the next Administration will be between also. Wars of insurgency are pretty open-ended. We should be open-ended about it too. Test your civil liberties. How many of you have been arrested for your Bush bashing here? How many of you can't go to church? Been jailed for submitting a grievance or petition? Go out and buy a gun in town -- is that forbidden? How many infantrymen are quartered in your basement or living room? Any unreasonable SOB searched your skivvies while you were in them? Have you been made to incriminate yourself after getting busted for Bush bashing? Et bloody damn cetera. Getting abuse from leftists and other peculiar mooncalves is, of course, a badge of honor. Recall the behavior of the "confederacy of dunces." Dunces who can't spell faithful, which is hardly the most challenging of words. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 10-31-2006 at 11:32 PM.

10-31-2006, 11:40 PM	#3
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I couldn't name a one of those "US citizens," rkzen. The man and his cabinet are fighting a war pressed upon us by other people -- and after prolonged effort. Their lot has been committing acts of war against us since the first half of 1983, and had been very publicly working up to it for ten years previous to that. I say we've been entirely too long-suffering. Let's alter their entire set of political equations and power balances. Democracies are better behaved than un-democracies. Where are the democracies not? Those are the places our troubles come from. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-01-2006, 08:10 PM	#5
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Rkzen, I view that as a fallacy: Nazi Germany conquered the greater part of Europe. Then we, the Allies, conquered it right back. We weren't, and aren't now, Nazis. We win the war against them, we aren't them. Lose it, and what are our choices? Offhand, I'd say they are between become them and fight another, larger, more ruinous war. Nuclear attacks definitely fall under the heading of "ruinous." __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)