Because They've Earned It - Page 4

Clodfobble · 11-23-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

In an environment where neither parent works, where brothers and sisters are involved in petty crime, family life is fragmented and housing poor and cramped, the odds of the kids making a connection between their actions and their future prospects are seriously reduced.

But all you're doing is proving lumberjim's point, you're just adding on that it's not fair that these kids can't seem to get it through their heads that they can succeed if they work at it. You can't make someone "make the connection." Either their drive to succeed will be enough to overcome the philosophy they were raised with, or it won't.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shocker

As far as how hard you work tied to how much you make, it is unfortunate that people that can work hard, tiring, and difficult jobs are not making more for their efforts.

This is very true of many who are in jobs similar to mine, but most any other institution I could go to would pay more for less work. So, why don't I move on? I love my boss, love my coworkers (most of them), I have very flexible scheduling, I'm very close to home, and I feel I have invested so much of myself in this job and this place I have a certain degree of loyalty. We went through a radical change a couple years ago, and I can't go into to details but it almost killed all of us from stress (these are changes we ourselves implemented because it was the right thing to do) so I feel very woven into the fabric of my job.

So, you all have a point: I COULD move on and make more $$ if I chose to, but the other factors are very important to me, for now anyway. How many people can say they love their jobs?

But, I wish I were paid what I'm worth, so that's hard too.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-28-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

big snip~ I COULD move on and make more $$ if I chose to, but the other factors are very important to me, for now anyway. How many people can say they love their jobs?

On the other hand, if you hate your job, dread dragging your butt in every day, can't wait to leave, it won't make your life longer but it will sure seem that way.

Seriously though, if you have a job you love going to.....or staying home at....you would be nuts to leave, unless financial or social pressure made it a necessity.

DanaC · 11-27-2006, 04:48 PM

Shawnee you make a lot of sense.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 12:53 AM

Can anyone here say ''social capital"?

9th Engineer · 11-29-2006, 04:06 PM

I can say it but I'm not sure what you're talking about.

DanaC · 11-29-2006, 04:42 PM

I think that rather answers Ali's unspoken question

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 05:04 PM

Google it 9th. It refers to the advantages some students have over others because of not only wealth, but the knowledge of their parents and likelihood of them being introduced to different forms of 'culture'.

There is a massive amount of research on this topic, and it's something worth familiarising yourself with as a student yourself. Might help you understand where you got some of your ideas about right and wrong.

Edit: because I'm expecting a negative response to this idea, I'll find some links later on and post them for you.

11-29-2006, 05:11 PM

That some have to work harder than others to get the same things is not wrong, it is nature.

Happy Monkey · 11-29-2006, 05:13 PM

Nature can't be wrong?

DanaC · 11-29-2006, 05:15 PM

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That some have to work harder than others to get the same things is not wrong, it is nature.

Nature and society, are two different things. To a large extent, society acts as an ameliorating force on nature.

11-29-2006, 05:16 PM

All things are nature, in nature... no such thing as un-natural. You cannot be out of nature.
I am dyslexic and got very pissed when I hear others who are whine about not having things given to them when in school. I graduated on the Presidents list and on the national honor roll, as well as Gold Key. Just hard work. Some think that is too much to ask of them.
Just work harder... that is all.
Everyone has to at something... it is the way of things and is correct. Builds character.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Why should a young einstein be withheld from the world at large simply because she comes from a poor black family who don't realize the potential of their daughter because they're not educated enough to see it?

jinx · 11-29-2006, 05:23 PM

Everyone has the right to believe and accept what they want, but reality doesn’t discriminate. Reality is not different for different people. Not once has reality excused anyone for good intentions, ignorance, or stubbornness. Reality shows no mercy, accepts no excuses, and issues no pardons. Reality does not “turn the other cheek.” This does not mean that reality is cruel, it just means that reality is. - Gary Ryan Blair

lumberjim · 11-29-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Everyone has the right to believe and accept what they want, but reality doesn’t discriminate. Reality is not different for different people. Not once has reality excused anyone for good intentions, ignorance, or stubbornness. Reality shows no mercy, accepts no excuses, and issues no pardons. Reality does not “turn the other cheek.” This does not mean that reality is cruel, it just means that reality is. - Gary Ryan Blair

A = A

11-29-2006, 12:53 AM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Can anyone here say ''social capital"? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 04:06 PM	#6
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I can say it but I'm not sure what you're talking about. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-29-2006, 05:04 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Google it 9th. It refers to the advantages some students have over others because of not only wealth, but the knowledge of their parents and likelihood of them being introduced to different forms of 'culture'. There is a massive amount of research on this topic, and it's something worth familiarising yourself with as a student yourself. Might help you understand where you got some of your ideas about right and wrong. Edit: because I'm expecting a negative response to this idea, I'll find some links later on and post them for you. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 05:13 PM	#10
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Nature can't be wrong? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-29-2006, 05:17 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Why should a young einstein be withheld from the world at large simply because she comes from a poor black family who don't realize the potential of their daughter because they're not educated enough to see it? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-27-2006, 04:48 PM	#4
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Shawnee you make a lot of sense.

11-29-2006, 04:42 PM	#7
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think that rather answers Ali's unspoken question

11-29-2006, 05:11 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	That some have to work harder than others to get the same things is not wrong, it is nature.

11-29-2006, 05:16 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	All things are nature, in nature... no such thing as un-natural. You cannot be out of nature. I am dyslexic and got very pissed when I hear others who are whine about not having things given to them when in school. I graduated on the Presidents list and on the national honor roll, as well as Gold Key. Just hard work. Some think that is too much to ask of them. Just work harder... that is all. Everyone has to at something... it is the way of things and is correct. Builds character.

11-29-2006, 05:23 PM	#14
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Everyone has the right to believe and accept what they want, but reality doesn’t discriminate. Reality is not different for different people. Not once has reality excused anyone for good intentions, ignorance, or stubbornness. Reality shows no mercy, accepts no excuses, and issues no pardons. Reality does not “turn the other cheek.” This does not mean that reality is cruel, it just means that reality is. - Gary Ryan Blair __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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