oh! youre a feminist? how cute!

[Aliantha]

My ex didn't do a very good job of taking care of our sons when I was working (something he had a problem doing).

I think there IS pressure on women to do everything including having a job, study, raise kids and do the house. This is one of the things the womens movement has to answer for. They said we could do it all, which most of us can. Just not all at the same time in my opinion. It puts far too much pressure on a woman to be everything if she happens to be married to a man who doesn't realize how much 'work' she actually does.

In my opinion (which can be supported by research), these unrealistic expectations have had a huge influence on the rising divorce rate in society today.

[DanaC]

Oh I would totally agree. The myth of 'superwoman' has a lot to answer for.

[piercehawkeye45]

Feminist are just like every other moment. Their intention is good and the majority of the people in the group are good but the extremists ruin it for everyone. I can't help but hate the label "feminist" after some experiences.

[yesman065]

I am having difficulties writing today - I meant FEEL they have to - instead of being in a position. . . oh never mind - Ali said it better.

[DanaC]

Again, rather against my better instincts I really have to defend the Church/religion, on this score. Long before Christianity or Islam, Plato had defined woman as incomplete, not a full person like the male.

[DanaC]

How were these women accused? Who pointed the finger and called them witches? Women, in most cases. For reasons of their own, most likely catty, insignificant reasons, women hurled accusations at each other providing fuel for the trials.

Plenty of accusations came from men.

Speaking of war, the battle of the sexes predates all the religions. Men had been fighting the battle of the sexes for thousands of years, because women don't want men to do what they want to do.

And women had been fighting the battle of the sexes because men don't want women to do what they want to do.

but it's funny, women used the church and it's social structure to control men's behavior with ever increasing effectiveness. Women "civilized" the frontiers, smoothed the cultural rough edges and generally made men behave, by way of the church, because it was the only organization they were allowed to join, the only place they were allowed to congregate and conspire.

Depends on which era of Church history you are talking about. In the 8th and 9th centuries an increasing number of women joined holy orders....but they were really only the elite and their level of control was seriously limited. Later, in the 11th and 12th centuries many monastic orders stopped supporting sisterhoods, enacting rules to prevent the founding of any further convents and banning priests and monks from ministering to women.

Much of the softening of those cultural rough edges came from male clerics (such as the Peace of God movement) and women played a very small role in any of it until relatively recently.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'm talking about the last two centuries as far as culture and civilization for anyone but the wealthy.

[Beestie]

I think there are a lot of assumptions and widely held misconceptions being passed off as facts in this thread.

[wolf]

And that, my son, is the basis of the feminist movement.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by wolf

And that, my son, is the basis of the feminist movement.

Like the pay difference act?

If you show me a company where a man and a women with equal expierence, credentials, and all that get paid different tell me because I haven't seen it. Women tend to take lower paying jobs while males tend to take higher paying jobs so obviously there will be a pay difference.

[DanaC]

I know for a fact that this goes on in the UK

[xoxoxoBruce]

Look for,..... the union label.

That women of equal/or better background & training are not paid the same, and not promoted the same, as men in the same position shows just how right our mothers have been about the fact that most of us never grew out of being those sad-sick little-boys.
This is why most of my friends are women.

There is one reason and one reason alone for the glass ceiling - fear.

[Hippikos]

Feminism gives me visions of Vagina Monologues and Germaine Greer...*shivers*. I prefer the word emancipation.

The church was male dominated in it's structure and teaching, but under it's blanket of social activities it was a very valuable tool for women seeking to throw off thousands of years of subservience.

The church always used the excuse for keeping the women inside the house that is was too dangerous outside for them.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Phil

proof is dodgy ground whether one is a believer or not: you cant prove a negative such as "God does not exist", but there is no evidence whatsoever that he does.

Well fortunately for you, the argument that 'scholastic men have historically feared women and their power' (X-ray vision, perhaps?) is not in fact a negative, and you should be able to show evidence if there is any. If there is not any, it does not mean "you can't prove a negative," it means your premise is bullshit.