What Saves You - Page 4

Yznhymr · 05-13-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

This isn't really part of the topic but I feel like commenting on it anyways.

Where in The Bible does it say that as long as I believe in Jesus I will go to heaven or is this just a way for Christians to justify themselves?

You asked...
Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2007, 08:43 PM

Saved does not equal go to heaven, however.

Elspode · 05-14-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yznhymr

You asked...
Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Now we know where it is written...how do we know it is *true*? I mean, I've got a book about a guy who was raised on Mars that says a lot of interesting stuff about religion, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to go out and conquer a bunch of backwards nations to bring people around to the book's way of thinking.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-01-2007, 12:24 PM

I have heard many other Christians say that it is very hard to get into heaven and you do have to earn it.

wolf · 04-01-2007, 03:16 PM

Church signs have between three and five seconds (unless they are at a traffic light) to make an impact on the viewer. The primary audience is really people who are already associated with that church. I do think that the cutesy sayings are taking over from the upcoming sermon topic variety.

I'm just letting my thoughts wander here, and I may have come up with something. You know how today parents strive to be their kids "friends" rather than actually doing things like setting limits and parenting? I think we're seeing the same effect in religion. God's your buddy now, rather than the rageful, jealous being that will rain down His wroth upon your unworthy head when you sin. Things that are traditional sins are either okay to do now, or at the very least overlooked.

monster · 04-01-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I'm just letting my thoughts wander here, and I may have come up with something. You know how today parents strive to be their kids "friends" rather than actually doing things like setting limits and [i]parenting]/i]? I think we're seeing the same effect in religion. God's your buddy now, rather than the rageful, jealous being that will rain down His wroth upon your unworthy head when you sin. Things that are traditional sins are either okay to do now, or at the very least overlooked.

I reckon you're bang on there.

Pie · 04-01-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Things that are traditional sins are either okay to do now, or at the very least overlooked.

"Get your sins here! Fresh, hot sins! Get 'em while they last!"

Gilk · 04-11-2007, 08:21 PM

does anyone think it's possible that nobody's right? I've never met anyone who I would trust enough to tell me what's best for me, how I should live my life, but thousands or millions of people listen to some random guy every Sunday just because he's got a title "preacher", or "pastor" or whatever. I'm pretty sure god gave me a mind so I would use it, not wait for someone else to use it for me.

lumberjim · 04-11-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilk

does anyone think it's possible that nobody's right? I've never met anyone who I would trust enough to tell me what's best for me, how I should live my life, but thousands or millions of people listen to some random guy every Sunday just because he's got a title "preacher", or "pastor" or whatever. I'm pretty sure god gave me a mind so I would use it, not wait for someone else to use it for me.

or doctor.

Gilk · 04-11-2007, 08:24 PM

church signs are basically the same as billboards, advertisements to get you to come in and help pay the electricity bill and the salary of some people who don't think they need to work for a living because they are smarter than the rest of us. ...I need to get my own direct line to God so I can start telling people what they're doing wrong...

Toymented · 04-11-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilk

I need to get my own direct line to God so I can start telling people what they're doing wrong...

Toy has a direct line to God. Though, it's always dead on the other end.

Gilk · 04-11-2007, 08:26 PM

I'm pretty sure the doctor can actually fix something that's wrong with me, like a broken arm. Most preachers just make shit up as they go along, or better yet, read some famous guy's book and then re-shit it out of their mouth into my ears

lumberjim · 04-11-2007, 08:39 PM

well, some preachers prolly do make it up....but then there are undoubtedly some that are very in touch with spirituality in general, and have wisdom to share that can help those of us that don't have the time to ponder it all out on our own.

likewise...doctors get treated like they're automatically superhuman, where the truth is that most of them are maladjusted asswipes just like the rest of us.

Spexxvet · 04-17-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

...likewise...doctors get treated like they're automatically superhuman, where the truth is that most of them are maladjusted asswipes just like the rest of us.

Let's face it: becoming a doctor takes a lot of commitment, focus, and dedication. While normal young people are out playing sports, dating, partying, and what-not (ESPECIALLY the what-not), future doctors are home studying and reading (not watching) Grey's Anatomy.

Gilk · 04-11-2007, 08:45 PM

there are definitely doctors who only practice to hoc the latest prescription medicine so they can get $$$ paid by the phamacuticals <sp> and there are preachers who spout bullshit so they'll get $$$ paid by the ignorant. In my experience there are many many more good doctors than preachers. And more good of both than lawyers and politicians.

05-13-2007, 08:43 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Saved does not equal go to heaven, however. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-01-2007, 03:16 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Church signs have between three and five seconds (unless they are at a traffic light) to make an impact on the viewer. The primary audience is really people who are already associated with that church. I do think that the cutesy sayings are taking over from the upcoming sermon topic variety. I'm just letting my thoughts wander here, and I may have come up with something. You know how today parents strive to be their kids "friends" rather than actually doing things like setting limits and parenting? I think we're seeing the same effect in religion. God's your buddy now, rather than the rageful, jealous being that will rain down His wroth upon your unworthy head when you sin. Things that are traditional sins are either okay to do now, or at the very least overlooked. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 04-01-2007 at 10:08 PM. Reason: code tag typo

04-11-2007, 08:39 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	well, some preachers prolly do make it up....but then there are undoubtedly some that are very in touch with spirituality in general, and have wisdom to share that can help those of us that don't have the time to ponder it all out on our own. likewise...doctors get treated like they're automatically superhuman, where the truth is that most of them are maladjusted asswipes just like the rest of us. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-01-2007, 12:24 PM	#4
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I have heard many other Christians say that it is very hard to get into heaven and you do have to earn it.

04-11-2007, 08:21 PM	#8
Gilk when life is in dischord praise ye the lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ellsworth AFB, SD or wherever the AF sends me Posts: 6	does anyone think it's possible that nobody's right? I've never met anyone who I would trust enough to tell me what's best for me, how I should live my life, but thousands or millions of people listen to some random guy every Sunday just because he's got a title "preacher", or "pastor" or whatever. I'm pretty sure god gave me a mind so I would use it, not wait for someone else to use it for me.

04-11-2007, 08:24 PM	#10
Gilk when life is in dischord praise ye the lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ellsworth AFB, SD or wherever the AF sends me Posts: 6	church signs are basically the same as billboards, advertisements to get you to come in and help pay the electricity bill and the salary of some people who don't think they need to work for a living because they are smarter than the rest of us. ...I need to get my own direct line to God so I can start telling people what they're doing wrong...

04-11-2007, 08:26 PM	#12
Gilk when life is in dischord praise ye the lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ellsworth AFB, SD or wherever the AF sends me Posts: 6	I'm pretty sure the doctor can actually fix something that's wrong with me, like a broken arm. Most preachers just make shit up as they go along, or better yet, read some famous guy's book and then re-shit it out of their mouth into my ears

04-11-2007, 08:45 PM	#15
Gilk when life is in dischord praise ye the lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ellsworth AFB, SD or wherever the AF sends me Posts: 6	there are definitely doctors who only practice to hoc the latest prescription medicine so they can get $$$ paid by the phamacuticals <sp> and there are preachers who spout bullshit so they'll get $$$ paid by the ignorant. In my experience there are many many more good doctors than preachers. And more good of both than lawyers and politicians.

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