The Cellar  

Go Back   The Cellar > Main > Politics
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Politics Where we learn not to think less of others who don't share our views

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-20-2007, 09:47 PM   #1
Aliantha
trying hard to be a better person
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 16,493
OK, so this thread is degenerating into another gun debate. Oh what joy!

rkz, you seem to think that no one here owns a gun. Many people do. You are simply not permitted to carry concealable weapons, however, if you belong to a pistol club for example, you may own a hand gun which is licensed. People may not own semi-automatic weapons.

Your idea of freedom is very much different to mine. I like the feeling of not needing to own a gun in order to feel safe. If I did wish to own a gun however, I could certainly do so. That's it.

That is why your statement was stupid. You don't know what you're talking about.
__________________
Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber
Aliantha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 12:59 AM   #2
Aliantha
trying hard to be a better person
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 16,493
tw, I went back and read your post again. I didn't find anything of interest in it. I guess it's only an opinion that adding more words means there's any more substance to a post.

Thanks for your input.
__________________
Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber
Aliantha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 01:37 AM   #3
tw
Read? I only know how to write.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aliantha View Post
My point was that the reason US citizens might feel criticised by posters from other nations is because it's mostly US issues which get discussed online due to the fact that it's mostly US users online. To be honest, I don't see too many people from other nations saying anything different to the sorts of things US citizens say though.
Well if that was your point, then why all this "We don't do anything right, everything is our fault from the economy to the god damn weather."

Nobody (of merit) was saying that. In the meantime it is completely in the interest of every non-American to comment fully about what happens in America. Those comments are necessary and welcome. However your previous posts were so vague as to not make clear your intended point. So it is only xoxoxoBruce who is touchy about criticism that, well, we don't get enough of.

This meandering thread is starting to make some sense (made more difficult because posts are not entirely clear to whom or what post that reply is intended; too much brevity of information).
tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 03:38 PM   #4
xoxoxoBruce
The future is unwritten
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 71,105
Quote:
Originally Posted by tw View Post
Nobody (of merit) was saying that. In the meantime it is completely in the interest of every non-American to comment fully about what happens in America. Those comments are necessary and welcome. However your previous posts were so vague as to not make clear your intended point. So it is only xoxoxoBruce who is touchy about criticism that, well, we don't get enough of.
Nobody of merit ? Fuck you too, tw. And stop reading shit into my posts that I didn't say.

Tell us why you think those comments from foreigners are necessary and welcome?
__________________
The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.
xoxoxoBruce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 05:27 PM   #5
tw
Read? I only know how to write.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Nobody of merit ? Fuck you too, tw. And stop reading shit into my posts that I didn't say.
Four letter words don't change reality - nobody of merit.

Welcome to the new Cellar where personal attacks are now acceptable and encouraged. As a result, many have left - some posting why they leave. Even tw has decided to be honest about the integrity of some posters only because personal attacks are now acceptable - actually encouraged - in the Cellar. Notice Aliantha new attitude. No reasons. Just a post based in hate. So much hate as to even agree with Bruce - just to promote animosity.

Nobody of merit. xoxoxoBruce had no reason to asssume that phrase was about him. It was even posted with no one in mind - just fishing to see who wants to fight over nothing. Bruce's guilt got the best of him. This is the new Cellar starting about when TheMercenary started posting.
tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 05:56 PM   #6
xoxoxoBruce
The future is unwritten
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 71,105
You quoted what I said and then said nobody of merit said that. I think that's pretty clearly a personal attack. No guilt whatsoever, I mean what I say. Ali jumped on me for agreeing with SG, that's all.

But tw thinks the whole world has the right...no, duty, to tell us how to run our country. Not foreign policy that might affect them, the whole fucking shootin' match.
Of course tw wants to take it away from the criminals in Washington and hand it over to the criminals flooding across the border, too.... so we know where he's coming from.
__________________
The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.
xoxoxoBruce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 08:54 PM   #7
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by tw View Post
Welcome to the new Cellar where personal attacks are now acceptable and encouraged. As a result, many have left - some posting why they leave. Even tw has decided to be honest about the integrity of some posters only because personal attacks are now acceptable - actually encouraged - in the Cellar. Notice Aliantha new attitude. No reasons. Just a post based in hate. So much hate as to even agree with Bruce - just to promote animosity.

Nobody of merit. xoxoxoBruce had no reason to asssume that phrase was about him. It was even posted with no one in mind - just fishing to see who wants to fight over nothing. Bruce's guilt got the best of him. This is the new Cellar starting about when TheMercenary started posting.
The King of Double Standard statements! Heh.
Someone give LJ a call.
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 05:01 PM   #8
Aliantha
trying hard to be a better person
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 16,493
Bruce it would appear that we agree.

End of argument.
__________________
Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber
Aliantha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 06:20 PM   #9
DanaC
We have to go back, Kate!
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 25,964
Topics get raised for discussion and we all discuss them. Sometimes the topics up for discussion are about events in the UK and people from both sides of the pond (as well as our antediluvian contingent) put forward their views. More often the topics concern events or issues relating to America: that's quite natural given that Americans constitute a majority within the Cellar. Consequently, we find ourselves more often discussing American issues and events and we are more often in the position of non-Americans discussing American topics than vice versa.

Given that we generally find in any thread a range of opinions on the topic in hand, this necessarily means that we will often find non-Americans commenting in a critical manner on American topics. There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.
DanaC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 06:44 PM   #10
tw
Read? I only know how to write.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC View Post
There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.
Many if not most Americans have little idea of anything outside of America. Who are the presidents of Mexico and Canada? I would bet most every American does not even know. But they certainly know when Canadians are critical of "Mission Accomplished". How dare they! Heaven forbid should Americans realize how correct Canadians were about justifications for war.

A double standard is acceptable because so many Americans have no idea what happens in other nations. Since naive Americans cannot criticize, then informed non-Americans have no right to criticize?

The useful solution is for naive Americans to listen rather than taking a child 'emotional' response to such criticisms. Duck Duck may be naive. Adult Americans would not reply with acidity.
tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 08:55 PM   #11
xoxoxoBruce
The future is unwritten
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 71,105
tw, you keep bringing up foreign policy which I clearly said I would expect foreigners to comment on because it effects them.

Duck duck doesn't bother me because she clearly has no clue. One of the reasons she has no clue, is she doesn't understand the culture of the US, she lives in a different culture, a different world. This is not an uncommon problem with foreigners, they just don't get it.

The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.
__________________
The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.
xoxoxoBruce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 09:11 PM   #12
tw
Read? I only know how to write.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.
Which is understandable when so many Americans cannot even name the presidents of Mexico and Canada - let alone understand British (or French) culture. Distortion made easier if news sources are the local gossip or a political agenda (ie Fox).

Using the Washington Times as a 'window on America', well, Duck_Duck is young. She has years of learning how to put things into proper perspective. However I was appalled at how some adults could not take an adult perspective of her posts. So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.
tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 09:18 PM   #13
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by tw View Post
So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.
Dude, you are the king of such idiocy.
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 06:28 PM   #14
Aliantha
trying hard to be a better person
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 16,493
Ahhhh Dana? I already said that...differently. lol See post 45. It seemed that it was taken as a criticism, but oh well. I guess it's sometimes hard for different people to communicate effectively.
__________________
Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber
Aliantha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2007, 06:30 PM   #15
DanaC
We have to go back, Kate!
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 25,964
It seemed worth reiterating:P
DanaC is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:31 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.