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Aliantha · 06-20-2007, 09:47 PM

OK, so this thread is degenerating into another gun debate. Oh what joy!

rkz, you seem to think that no one here owns a gun. Many people do. You are simply not permitted to carry concealable weapons, however, if you belong to a pistol club for example, you may own a hand gun which is licensed. People may not own semi-automatic weapons.

Your idea of freedom is very much different to mine. I like the feeling of not needing to own a gun in order to feel safe. If I did wish to own a gun however, I could certainly do so. That's it.

That is why your statement was stupid. You don't know what you're talking about.

Aliantha · 06-21-2007, 12:59 AM

tw, I went back and read your post again. I didn't find anything of interest in it. I guess it's only an opinion that adding more words means there's any more substance to a post.

Thanks for your input.

tw · 06-21-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

My point was that the reason US citizens might feel criticised by posters from other nations is because it's mostly US issues which get discussed online due to the fact that it's mostly US users online. To be honest, I don't see too many people from other nations saying anything different to the sorts of things US citizens say though.

Well if that was your point, then why all this "We don't do anything right, everything is our fault from the economy to the god damn weather."

Nobody (of merit) was saying that. In the meantime it is completely in the interest of every non-American to comment fully about what happens in America. Those comments are necessary and welcome. However your previous posts were so vague as to not make clear your intended point. So it is only xoxoxoBruce who is touchy about criticism that, well, we don't get enough of.

This meandering thread is starting to make some sense (made more difficult because posts are not entirely clear to whom or what post that reply is intended; too much brevity of information).

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Nobody (of merit) was saying that. In the meantime it is completely in the interest of every non-American to comment fully about what happens in America. Those comments are necessary and welcome. However your previous posts were so vague as to not make clear your intended point. So it is only xoxoxoBruce who is touchy about criticism that, well, we don't get enough of.

Nobody of merit ? Fuck you too, tw. And stop reading shit into my posts that I didn't say.

Tell us why you think those comments from foreigners are necessary and welcome?

tw · 06-21-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Nobody of merit ? Fuck you too, tw. And stop reading shit into my posts that I didn't say.

Four letter words don't change reality - nobody of merit.

Welcome to the new Cellar where personal attacks are now acceptable and encouraged. As a result, many have left - some posting why they leave. Even tw has decided to be honest about the integrity of some posters only because personal attacks are now acceptable - actually encouraged - in the Cellar. Notice Aliantha new attitude. No reasons. Just a post based in hate. So much hate as to even agree with Bruce - just to promote animosity.

Nobody of merit. xoxoxoBruce had no reason to asssume that phrase was about him. It was even posted with no one in mind - just fishing to see who wants to fight over nothing. Bruce's guilt got the best of him. This is the new Cellar starting about when TheMercenary started posting.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2007, 05:56 PM

You quoted what I said and then said nobody of merit said that. I think that's pretty clearly a personal attack. No guilt whatsoever, I mean what I say. Ali jumped on me for agreeing with SG, that's all.

But tw thinks the whole world has the right...no, duty, to tell us how to run our country. Not foreign policy that might affect them, the whole fucking shootin' match.
Of course tw wants to take it away from the criminals in Washington and hand it over to the criminals flooding across the border, too.... so we know where he's coming from.

TheMercenary · 06-21-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Welcome to the new Cellar where personal attacks are now acceptable and encouraged. As a result, many have left - some posting why they leave. Even tw has decided to be honest about the integrity of some posters only because personal attacks are now acceptable - actually encouraged - in the Cellar. Notice Aliantha new attitude. No reasons. Just a post based in hate. So much hate as to even agree with Bruce - just to promote animosity.

Nobody of merit. xoxoxoBruce had no reason to asssume that phrase was about him. It was even posted with no one in mind - just fishing to see who wants to fight over nothing. Bruce's guilt got the best of him. This is the new Cellar starting about when TheMercenary started posting.

The King of Double Standard statements! Heh.

Someone give LJ a call.

Aliantha · 06-21-2007, 05:01 PM

Bruce it would appear that we agree.

End of argument.

DanaC · 06-21-2007, 06:20 PM

Topics get raised for discussion and we all discuss them. Sometimes the topics up for discussion are about events in the UK and people from both sides of the pond (as well as our antediluvian contingent) put forward their views. More often the topics concern events or issues relating to America: that's quite natural given that Americans constitute a majority within the Cellar. Consequently, we find ourselves more often discussing American issues and events and we are more often in the position of non-Americans discussing American topics than vice versa.

Given that we generally find in any thread a range of opinions on the topic in hand, this necessarily means that we will often find non-Americans commenting in a critical manner on American topics. There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.

tw · 06-21-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.

Many if not most Americans have little idea of anything outside of America. Who are the presidents of Mexico and Canada? I would bet most every American does not even know. But they certainly know when Canadians are critical of "Mission Accomplished". How dare they! Heaven forbid should Americans realize how correct Canadians were about justifications for war.

A double standard is acceptable because so many Americans have no idea what happens in other nations. Since naive Americans cannot criticize, then informed non-Americans have no right to criticize?

The useful solution is for naive Americans to listen rather than taking a child 'emotional' response to such criticisms. Duck Duck may be naive. Adult Americans would not reply with acidity.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2007, 08:55 PM

tw, you keep bringing up foreign policy which I clearly said I would expect foreigners to comment on because it effects them.

Duck duck doesn't bother me because she clearly has no clue. One of the reasons she has no clue, is she doesn't understand the culture of the US, she lives in a different culture, a different world. This is not an uncommon problem with foreigners, they just don't get it.

The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.

tw · 06-21-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it.

Which is understandable when so many Americans cannot even name the presidents of Mexico and Canada - let alone understand British (or French) culture. Distortion made easier if news sources are the local gossip or a political agenda (ie Fox).

Using the Washington Times as a 'window on America', well, Duck_Duck is young. She has years of learning how to put things into proper perspective. However I was appalled at how some adults could not take an adult perspective of her posts. So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.

TheMercenary · 06-21-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

So many replies with emotional angst rather than logical tolerance.

Dude, you are the king of such idiocy.

Aliantha · 06-21-2007, 06:28 PM

Ahhhh Dana? I already said that...differently. lol See post 45.

It seemed that it was taken as a criticism, but oh well. I guess it's sometimes hard for different people to communicate effectively.

DanaC · 06-21-2007, 06:30 PM

It seemed worth reiterating:P

06-20-2007, 09:47 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	OK, so this thread is degenerating into another gun debate. Oh what joy! rkz, you seem to think that no one here owns a gun. Many people do. You are simply not permitted to carry concealable weapons, however, if you belong to a pistol club for example, you may own a hand gun which is licensed. People may not own semi-automatic weapons. Your idea of freedom is very much different to mine. I like the feeling of not needing to own a gun in order to feel safe. If I did wish to own a gun however, I could certainly do so. That's it. That is why your statement was stupid. You don't know what you're talking about. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-21-2007, 12:59 AM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	tw, I went back and read your post again. I didn't find anything of interest in it. I guess it's only an opinion that adding more words means there's any more substance to a post. Thanks for your input. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-21-2007, 05:56 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You quoted what I said and then said nobody of merit said that. I think that's pretty clearly a personal attack. No guilt whatsoever, I mean what I say. Ali jumped on me for agreeing with SG, that's all. But tw thinks the whole world has the right...no, duty, to tell us how to run our country. Not foreign policy that might affect them, the whole fucking shootin' match. Of course tw wants to take it away from the criminals in Washington and hand it over to the criminals flooding across the border, too.... so we know where he's coming from. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-21-2007, 05:01 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Bruce it would appear that we agree. End of argument. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-21-2007, 08:55 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	tw, you keep bringing up foreign policy which I clearly said I would expect foreigners to comment on because it effects them. Duck duck doesn't bother me because she clearly has no clue. One of the reasons she has no clue, is she doesn't understand the culture of the US, she lives in a different culture, a different world. This is not an uncommon problem with foreigners, they just don't get it. The same goes for Americans saying the Brits don't want freedom, which is preposterous. They don't understand the culture, and just don't get it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-21-2007, 06:20 PM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Topics get raised for discussion and we all discuss them. Sometimes the topics up for discussion are about events in the UK and people from both sides of the pond (as well as our antediluvian contingent) put forward their views. More often the topics concern events or issues relating to America: that's quite natural given that Americans constitute a majority within the Cellar. Consequently, we find ourselves more often discussing American issues and events and we are more often in the position of non-Americans discussing American topics than vice versa. Given that we generally find in any thread a range of opinions on the topic in hand, this necessarily means that we will often find non-Americans commenting in a critical manner on American topics. There will also be non-Americans taking a different view and Americans being critical. The only way to stop that would be if non-Americans refrained from expressing opinions on American topics.

06-21-2007, 06:28 PM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Ahhhh Dana? I already said that...differently. lol See post 45. It seemed that it was taken as a criticism, but oh well. I guess it's sometimes hard for different people to communicate effectively. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-21-2007, 06:30 PM	#15
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	It seemed worth reiterating:P

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