Communism, boiled down. - Page 4

Flint · 07-20-2007, 03:48 PM

Successful by what criteria? If you mean "successful at restricting travel" then they have a better chance...

07-20-2007, 03:49 PM

Exactly.
I can't think of anything that screams "we are a failure" louder than that.

Undertoad · 07-20-2007, 04:02 PM

"Successful"... let's just say for argument's sake that "successful" means the nation has both an economy strong enough to feed, clothe, and shelter its people; and a civil society strong enough to provide both effective deed management and policing without torture.

07-20-2007, 04:12 PM

I guess, not that I thought of it that way at the time, but am now; that I am defining captivity as torture.
Comfortable with that.

Squid_Operator · 07-20-2007, 04:42 PM

Communism...Never worked, never will.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-20-2007, 04:43 PM

Communism...Never tried, never will.

Squid_Operator · 07-20-2007, 04:46 PM

Communism...executing military officials since Marx was a june bug.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-20-2007, 04:51 PM

Seriously, Communism has never been implemented. Every "Communist" state has been totalitarianism with a touch of Communism. I don't think it will ever work but there has not been a true Communist state yet.

Squid_Operator · 07-20-2007, 04:55 PM

perfect states are easier said than done.

Although I believe when one tries to mold a populace it is ruined.

07-20-2007, 04:59 PM

It's not even that it is imperfect... it's crazy stupid unless you are a termite. Wait... no... they are a totalitarian society... just stupid.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-20-2007, 05:00 PM

Or people just have different perspectives on what is good...

Squid_Operator · 07-20-2007, 05:03 PM

I encourage everyone to have their own beliefs.

07-20-2007, 05:05 PM

I don't, if they oppress others. Nope.
No reason to respect an opinion that does not make sense and/or harms others.

Squid_Operator · 07-20-2007, 05:06 PM

True.

Aslong as one's not hurting anyone else in the proccess I meant.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-20-2007, 05:07 PM

That is still an opinion. People don't like capitalism because corporations and the upper class will oppress others. You can call it freedom or whatever but you are still forcing a socio-economic theory on other people. It is a no-win situation.

07-20-2007, 03:48 PM	#46
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Successful by what criteria? If you mean "successful at restricting travel" then they have a better chance... __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-20-2007, 03:49 PM	#47
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Exactly. I can't think of anything that screams "we are a failure" louder than that.

07-20-2007, 04:02 PM	#48
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"Successful"... let's just say for argument's sake that "successful" means the nation has both an economy strong enough to feed, clothe, and shelter its people; and a civil society strong enough to provide both effective deed management and policing without torture.

07-20-2007, 04:12 PM	#49
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I guess, not that I thought of it that way at the time, but am now; that I am defining captivity as torture. Comfortable with that.

07-20-2007, 04:42 PM	#50
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	Communism...Never worked, never will.

07-20-2007, 04:43 PM	#51
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Communism...Never tried, never will.

07-20-2007, 04:46 PM	#52
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	Communism...executing military officials since Marx was a june bug.

07-20-2007, 04:51 PM	#53
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Seriously, Communism has never been implemented. Every "Communist" state has been totalitarianism with a touch of Communism. I don't think it will ever work but there has not been a true Communist state yet.

07-20-2007, 04:55 PM	#54
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	perfect states are easier said than done. Although I believe when one tries to mold a populace it is ruined.

07-20-2007, 04:59 PM	#55
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	It's not even that it is imperfect... it's crazy stupid unless you are a termite. Wait... no... they are a totalitarian society... just stupid.

07-20-2007, 05:00 PM	#56
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Or people just have different perspectives on what is good...

07-20-2007, 05:03 PM	#57
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	I encourage everyone to have their own beliefs.

07-20-2007, 05:05 PM	#58
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't, if they oppress others. Nope. No reason to respect an opinion that does not make sense and/or harms others.

07-20-2007, 05:06 PM	#59
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	True. Aslong as one's not hurting anyone else in the proccess I meant.

07-20-2007, 05:07 PM	#60
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	That is still an opinion. People don't like capitalism because corporations and the upper class will oppress others. You can call it freedom or whatever but you are still forcing a socio-economic theory on other people. It is a no-win situation.

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