Flu shot, or not? - Page 4

jinx · 10-22-2007, 08:38 PM

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In July 1999, U.S. Department of Health and Human Service (DHHS) agencies, including the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID); The American Academy of Pediatrics; and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from all sources. This decision was based on the various Federal guidelines for methyl mercury exposure and the assumption that the health risks from methyl and ethyl mercury were the same. More research is needed to determine if the guidelines for methyl mercury are also appropriate guidelines for thimerosal.

Undertoad · 10-22-2007, 08:41 PM

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"We are in an epidemic of environmentally mediated disease among American children today," he said. "Rates of asthma, childhood cancers, birth defects and developmental disorders have exponentially increased, and it can't be explained by changes in the human genome. So what has changed? All the chemicals we're being exposed to."

When I was young my first dentist gave me a bit of mercury to play with, which I did. In 7th grade they had a whole container of it, and we all floated a quarter on it to see what it was like.

Aliantha · 10-22-2007, 08:47 PM

our next door neighbour had a jar of it that he used to let my brother and me play with sometimes.

I probably should have my mercury levels checked.

jinx · 10-22-2007, 08:48 PM

Ah, but you missed out on the phthalates laden chew toys as a baby, UT...

monster · 10-26-2007, 10:19 AM

Undertoad · 10-22-2007, 09:00 PM

I had the asthma bad though.

jinx · 10-22-2007, 09:14 PM

Do infections protect against asthma and atopy (ie. eczema).

richlevy · 10-22-2007, 10:37 PM

I just got my shot today.

As for the mercury preservatives in vaccines, I've been following the debate. Our son is autistic, so we are of course concerned that their is the possibility that something we did to protect him injured him.

I don't know if it's going to turn out be be Thimerosal, or just a reaction to a combination of vaccines, but the statistics for Autism in the US are frightening and seem to indicate that the cause might be something more prevalent in the US than elsewhere in the world.

I don't know if they have the same number and type of vaccinations in Europe, so that's a place to start.

monster · 10-23-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

that the cause might be something more prevalent in the US than elsewhere in the world.

Better diagnostic skills and more willingness to diagnose/understand/"label"?

just pondering, not trying to be confrontational....

richlevy · 10-23-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

Better diagnostic skills and more willingness to diagnose/understand/"label"?

just pondering, not trying to be confrontational....

I had the same thought and I haven't rejected or tied myself to any theory. 'Autism spectrum' runs the gamut from 'Rain Man' to Aspergers. An Aspergers label could be attached to almost any socially awkward individual.

In some cases an Autism label might be key to some kind of funding, and since it is more of a symptom than a disease that can be quantified, case workers might be tempted to over apply the label.

Still, the sheer numbers seem to point to something concrete.

Cloud · 10-22-2007, 10:50 PM

Jinx: It pays to be skeptical about health claims!

Clodfobble · 10-23-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

I don't know if they have the same number and type of vaccinations in Europe, so that's a place to start.

Europe is where they first completely outlawed thimerosal in vaccines several years ago, and autism rates there have continued to rise.

Cicero · 10-23-2007, 11:42 AM

From e-medicine.

~Mercury in any form is toxic. The difference lies in how it is absorbed, the clinical signs and symptoms, and the response to treatment modalities. Mercury poisoning can result from vapor inhalation, ingestion, injection, or absorption through the skin.~

10-22-2007, 08:47 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	our next door neighbour had a jar of it that he used to let my brother and me play with sometimes. I probably should have my mercury levels checked. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Ah, but you missed out on the phthalates laden chew toys as a baby, UT... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

10-26-2007, 10:19 AM	#5
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Flu. Shot. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-22-2007, 09:14 PM	#7
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Do infections protect against asthma and atopy (ie. eczema). __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

10-22-2007, 10:37 PM	#8
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	I just got my shot today. As for the mercury preservatives in vaccines, I've been following the debate. Our son is autistic, so we are of course concerned that their is the possibility that something we did to protect him injured him. I don't know if it's going to turn out be be Thimerosal, or just a reaction to a combination of vaccines, but the statistics for Autism in the US are frightening and seem to indicate that the cause might be something more prevalent in the US than elsewhere in the world. I don't know if they have the same number and type of vaccinations in Europe, so that's a place to start. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

10-22-2007, 09:00 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I had the asthma bad though.

10-22-2007, 10:50 PM	#11
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Jinx: It pays to be skeptical about health claims! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

10-23-2007, 11:42 AM	#13
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	From e-medicine. ~Mercury in any form is toxic. The difference lies in how it is absorbed, the clinical signs and symptoms, and the response to treatment modalities. Mercury poisoning can result from vapor inhalation, ingestion, injection, or absorption through the skin.~ __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

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