Roadside Memorials, Utah fight

[lookout123]

hey bitterrageboy? listen up for just a sec, k?


kitsune's sign wasn't an example of signs waiting for your judgement on whether or not it was "litter" or not. it was a statement about this thread. but, as usual, when it came time for you to actually consider a post not authored by you, you missed the point completely. that is obtuse.

mmmkay?

[Bullitt]

It's funny that you're just about the only person on this board who complains of being stalked. When you act like a dipshit and go around trying to be all sneaky and sly with your words, you're going to get people's attention and they're going to hold you to what you say. You're better off somewhere else rk.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, what is wrong with a cemetery? Is that not the appropriate place for mourning the dead if you feel you need a public place to do so?
Want to do more, buy time on television or a billboard.
Public land is not the place.

So, you're opposed to things like war memorials, say, the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall?

Originally Posted by Cloud

So, you're opposed to things like war memorials, say, the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Wall?

Not at all, same idea as buying a billboard or commercial, which I suggested earlier... as long as they are not religious in any way.

[TheMercenary]

Who gives a shit? We have the little crosses to dead people on Federal property as well. Every day on the way to work the Army Post has a number of them. The difference being that they put them up themselves to regulate them so they do not appear gaudy (sp?) and all the little white crosses look the same. If it provides someone from the dead persons family comfort who gives a shit? And who gives a shit if someone is offended by it? I certainly don't.

Originally Posted by Bullitt

It's funny that you're just about the only person on this board who complains of being stalked. When you act like a dipshit and go around trying to be all sneaky and sly with your words, you're going to get people's attention and they're going to hold you to what you say. You're better off somewhere else rk.

More should complain about it, it happens more than most know to several people.

The rest was just a bunch of whining. Don't like my threads... stay out of them bitchy little twat.

Merc, I am against any of them, not just the religious ones, they are litter, a hazard and are misplaced (cemetery).
I see your point and it is well made.
I just disagree.
I also like places like West Palm Beach that limit the size and amount of advertising signage and billboards allowed per square ft of road.
The place looks awesome because of it and guess what?... no memorials, you go to the cemetery for that.
In no way does this infringe on my libertarian values because you cannot do anything on your property that limits the civil rights of another's and placing a giant sign that limits another's view is doing that, just as visual litter does regardless of the reason.
Thanks for the well worded on-topic, logical, post... at least someone can think with their brain around here.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Not at all, same idea as buying a billboard or commercial, which I suggested earlier... as long as they are not religious in any way.

Why can't they be religious? Over 85% of this country believes in some form of religion. Just because it offends you is a rediculous argument. Only those lacking in faith do not "believe" in something. I understand I may be in the minority here on this topic, but I still get my say, - do I not?
Actually I just said it, so I guess I do.

Link to statistic - http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_28.asp

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by classicman

Why can't they be religious? Over 85% of this country believes in some form of religion. Just because it offends you is a rediculous argument. Only those lacking in faith do not "believe" in something. I understand I may be in the minority here on this topic, but I still get my say, - do I not?
Actually I just said it, so I guess I do.

Link to statistic - http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_28.asp

True, as long as they are not on public land, I have no issue with it.
But, on public land, no breech of separation of church and state.
It protects the religious as well as the state... many ignorant cannot see that.
Those fighting for the separation of Church and state the hardest, and always have, are religious leaders because they know this, like the AU and those opposed to changing the national motto the the current stupidity and adding superstition to our money. All who lead the fight were religious leaders.
It is a founding principle of this nation and needs to be kept, and returned to where needed, in all sectors.
If someone is religious not having the state "validate" it does nothing against them in any way.

[lookout123]

could you point to the words "separation of church and state" in the constitution pleased? maybe in the bill of rights? no? certainly it must be there. ok, maybe it just isn't in my copy - i did buy it online and all. so could you point me to the part where it goes on to explain that what the founding father's meant was a complete eradication of any signs of religion in the public eye? no? weird.

Guess you never read the first amendment.
But, then again, you have shown what your reading comprehension skills are like, so it would not matter if you did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gksp2UXpSyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA68TTISRi8

[lookout123]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

you mean this one?

Look... he has to ask, LOL!

[lookout123]

i was just checking to see if you had a different translation or something. cuz i've looked and i don't see "separation of church and state" there. i looked again and i still didn't see anything spelling out our need to eradicate any visible sign of religion either.