The Second Coming (of bailouts) - Page 4

tw · 01-12-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Desire would be another.

Desire without innovation only results in nothing - or rape.

TheMercenary · 01-12-2010, 08:38 AM

We had shop class in my highschool. In fact we had Metal shop, Wood shop, Auto shop, and a Photography Shop. Each had a separate huge bay at the end of the school. It was pretty cool. It was a great place for the kids to go concentrate and be exposed to different traditional trades if they were not going to go on to college. I am sure they are long gone by now.

Shawnee123 · 01-12-2010, 08:42 AM

I rocked when we got to take shop in Jr Hi. Got an A on my trivet.

Sewing, not so much...

I guess I'm in a good place: I don't think jobs in higher education will go away, but I also have years of experience in electronics and other things, mainly for defense contractors, and skills such as mil-spec high reliability soldering, testing, building, and supervising and teaching such skills.

When the machines take over, I'll be in a good spot.

glatt · 01-12-2010, 01:06 PM

I just got back from a tour of the middle school my daughter will be attending next year.

She will have a choice of joining their band, which is a really very good program and well known in the area, or participating in the "Admiral's wheel" where she gets to have a bunch of rotating electives like shop and home economics and a bunch of other similar stuff. (Except they don't call them that.)

The shop, or technological arts, as I think they call it, is pretty cool. I saw 1 table saw, 2 drill presses, a small CNC router, a table top wind tunnel!, numerous PCs, some sort of presses for maybe doing t-shirts, and some other stuff that I can't remember now. When we poked our heads into the room, the students had a bunch of cheap looking cameras set up on tripods and connected to the PCs. It looked like they were playing with the cameras.

I wish it wasn't an either/or scenario. The band would be really good for her, since she enjoys playing the trombone, but I think the Admiral's wheel would teach her more life skills.

classicman · 01-12-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Desire without innovation only results in nothing - or rape.

Shawnee123 · 01-12-2010, 02:45 PM

t-dub, imma let you finish, but seriously, rape is about violence, not desire.

kthxbai

tw · 01-12-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

t-dub, imma let you finish, but seriously, rape is about violence, not desire.

How does one be violent without desiring to be violent? And how does that violence create productive jobs?

Desire does not create the jobs. Innovation does. One can desire to be innovative. But only those who actually are innovative create jobs (not to be confused with the Pink Panther who was innovative).

tw · 01-12-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I rocked when we got to take shop in Jr Hi. Got an A on my trivet.

A trivet? A three legged stand? What is that? What does that do?

TheMercenary · 01-12-2010, 07:40 PM

The artificial bubble. The markets are being artificially proped up by the bailouts.

From the Economist:

http://www.economist.com/displayStor...ry_id=15211520

Shawnee123 · 01-12-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

A trivet? A three legged stand? What is that? What does that do?

You have access to Google, right? A trivet. Something you put a hot plate or pot on. But mine was handcrafted from wood, no hot plate or pot saw the surface of my trivet. Ethan Allen himself could not have constructed a finer trivet. (I stole that last line from a TV show, I admit.)

I was in 8th grade, dude, getting to work with saws and things. I found I had a knack.

I'll see if my 'rents still have my trivet (bet they do) and I'll photograph it for you, in all its fine workmanship.

01-12-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I was in 8th grade, dude, getting to work with saws and things. I found I had a knack.

I was in high school when The Knack released that god-awful My Sharonna.

tw · 01-12-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I'll see if my 'rents still have my trivet (bet they do) and I'll photograph it for you, in all its fine workmanship.

With age, it is sometimes interesting to pull out something I built so many decades ago that I hardly remember it. In some cases (only some) I am impressed by how good I did. A response that goes, "I did that? ... Oh. ... Yea."

TheMercenary · 01-13-2010, 11:21 AM

Faux Recovery

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By David Harsanyi

One glorious day, all of us will awaken in our mixed-use neighborhoods, rustle up nutritious garden-grown breakfasts and pedal our bikes to "green-collar" jobs using paths generously provided by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

As of this moment, however, the "green energy economy" is incapable of spurring the taillights on a motor scooter (much less an economic recovery) without a backup gas-powered generator and government subsidy.

Why, then -- just as we learned that 85,000 Americans "unexpectedly," as news stories put it, had lost their jobs last month -- did the Obama administration pin recovery hopes on a colossally misguided social engineering project?

We're not talking about last year's colossally misguided stimulus plan, which "created" and/or "saved" an incalculable number of nonexistent jobs in various imaginary ZIP codes -- though we do continue to learn more about that slapdash experiment.

At the time of the stimulus debate, President Barack Obama asserted that the "urgent need to accelerate job growth" would be tied to spending on (ethically approved) transportation projects. Yet The Associated Press reported this week that unemployment rates rose and fell regardless of how much money Washington doled out; the report was reviewed by independent economists at five universities.

continues:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ery_99868.html

01-13-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Faux Recovery

continues:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ery_99868.html

I guess it is safe to assume that you dont want to address the issue of the "lost decade" or offer a better solution to long-term economy recovery.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-13-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

We had shop class in my highschool. In fact we had Metal shop, Wood shop, Auto shop, and a Photography Shop. Each had a separate huge bay at the end of the school. It was pretty cool. It was a great place for the kids to go concentrate and be exposed to different traditional trades if they were not going to go on to college. I am sure they are long gone by now.

They still existed in my middle and high school. A shop class was required in 6th and 7th grade, and then optional in 8th, 10th, 11th, or 12th.

We also had cooking, sewing, personal finance, and other classes like that. My high school has gone to complete shit since I left so I don't know what they still have nowadays.

01-12-2010, 08:38 AM	#47
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	We had shop class in my highschool. In fact we had Metal shop, Wood shop, Auto shop, and a Photography Shop. Each had a separate huge bay at the end of the school. It was pretty cool. It was a great place for the kids to go concentrate and be exposed to different traditional trades if they were not going to go on to college. I am sure they are long gone by now. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-12-2010, 08:42 AM	#48
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I rocked when we got to take shop in Jr Hi. Got an A on my trivet. Sewing, not so much... I guess I'm in a good place: I don't think jobs in higher education will go away, but I also have years of experience in electronics and other things, mainly for defense contractors, and skills such as mil-spec high reliability soldering, testing, building, and supervising and teaching such skills. When the machines take over, I'll be in a good spot. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-12-2010, 02:45 PM	#51
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	t-dub, imma let you finish, but seriously, rape is about violence, not desire. kthxbai __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-12-2010, 07:40 PM	#54
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	The artificial bubble. The markets are being artificially proped up by the bailouts. From the Economist: http://www.economist.com/displayStor...ry_id=15211520 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-12-2010, 01:06 PM	#49
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I just got back from a tour of the middle school my daughter will be attending next year. She will have a choice of joining their band, which is a really very good program and well known in the area, or participating in the "Admiral's wheel" where she gets to have a bunch of rotating electives like shop and home economics and a bunch of other similar stuff. (Except they don't call them that.) The shop, or technological arts, as I think they call it, is pretty cool. I saw 1 table saw, 2 drill presses, a small CNC router, a table top wind tunnel!, numerous PCs, some sort of presses for maybe doing t-shirts, and some other stuff that I can't remember now. When we poked our heads into the room, the students had a bunch of cheap looking cameras set up on tripods and connected to the PCs. It looked like they were playing with the cameras. I wish it wasn't an either/or scenario. The band would be really good for her, since she enjoys playing the trombone, but I think the Admiral's wheel would teach her more life skills.

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