Obama Announces Re-election Bid

[TheMercenary]

Nobody wants to take your guns

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnobody.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

This from one who said it was overturned?

One section was overturned, requiring the states to do the background checks (on 10th amendment grounds, not Second Amendment) and which became irrelevant a year later when the NICS was implemented.

I told you I miss stated it. Maybe you didn't read it.
So you deny that Obama and the majority of liberals in Congress want to chip away at the Second Amendment because they know that they could never get at repealed in toto?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

I am still trying to understand how the Brady background check, which is the guts of the bill, means hating the Second Amendment.

I didn't say Brady background check, you did.

What part of the law dont you like or implies hating the Second Amendment?

Ugly gun ban which restricts firearm ownership.

[Fair&Balanced]

I am actually very close to the position of conservative Justice Scalia, based on his majority opinion to overturn the DC gun bun. I thought DC went too far, violated the Constitution and supported the decision. But I also agree with this part of Scalia's opinion:

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...eller#Decision

I think if you look objectively, this is where you will find most liberals and moderates in Congress, based on their voting records. And most Americans as well.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

I think if you look objectively, this is where you will find most liberals and most Americans.

I do not. Could you please cite where the majority of liberal Democrats did not support legislative action which impeded or further restricted gun rights?

Most Americans may be another issue, but we were not talking about that were we?

[TheMercenary]

The only opinions that Scalia has been clear about is that he believes that some gun control can survive the courts, although he is not clear about what that may or may not be. We will see.

[Undertoad]

Is it just me, or has gun control as a topic of legislation really faded away since Brady?

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I do not. Could you please cite where the majority of liberal Democrats did not support legislative action which impeded or further restricted gun rights?

I would, but there is no (zero, nada) legislation in the last 10 years where a majority of liberal Democrats supported legislative action to further restrict gun rights. In fact, as a result of lack of support among Democrats, there is no legislation that even got out committee. Perhaps, with the exception of the renewal of the assault weapon ban that Bush said he supported and in which the original ban was not challenged as unconstitutional.

Unless of course you have a cite that would prove me wrong.

The only laws that even made it out of committee (and passed) in recent years was the NICS Improvement Act to improve the instant check system. Passed by voice vote and Bush signed into law.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Is it just me, or has gun control as a topic of legislation really faded away since Brady?

It has, I think more so because when Obama made his voice known about what he thinks about gun owners in general, and the backlash that followed, he realized he was going to lose votes from rural Demoncrative voters, ala Deer Hunting for Jesus voters. With other pressing concerns since him taking office he just has not gotten to it yet. All the more reason it is imperative that he become a One Term President. But the undercurrent and plans to alter gun rights in this country is an undercurrent that has not gone un-noticed by those of us who are committed to their preservations. Great question...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

I would, but there is no (zero, nada) legislation in the last 10 years where a majority of liberal Democrats supported legislative action to further restrict gun rights.

Ok, so you didn't look at a single link I posted. I get your schtick now...

The only laws that even made it out of committee (and passed) in recent years was the NICS Improvement Act to improve the instant check system. Passed by voice vote and Bush signed into law.

Tell us again why you ignore that Brady was not renewed in toto?

As stated previously I have no problem with the background check provisions.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ok, so you didn't look at a single link I posted. I get your schtick now...

Tell us again why you ignore that Brady was not renewed in toto?

As stated previously I have no problem with the background check provisions.

What schtick?

There was no Democratic or liberal majority voting in favor of any restrictions on gun ownership.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

What schtick?

There was no Democratic or liberal majority voting in favor of any restrictions on gun ownership.

Again you fail to follow the links I have posted. I am done with your cowardliness to address the issues at hand. Enjoy your conversation.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Again you fail to follow the links I have posted. I am done with your cowardliness to address the issues at hand. Enjoy your conversation.

Ah.

So you still cant point to legislative record that would demonstrate factually that liberals in Congress would restrict gun ownership.

Its been fun.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Ah.

So there is no legislative record that you point to that would demonstrate factually that liberals in Congress would restrict gun ownership.

Its been fun.

Why didn't you follow any of my links again? Please explain?

[Fair&Balanced]

Show me one of your links that had factual information on voting records and we can discuss it.