Government Shut Down

[Griff]

Interesting Poll here

79% of the country thinks a shutdown is a bad thing. 46% blame the GOP Congress if it occurs. 69% believe the Reps in Congress are behaving like spoiled children. 58% say the Dems in Congress are. 38% are in favor of Obamacare. 57% oppose it. 60% however think its more important to prevent a government shutdown than stopping ACA. 68% say it would be bad to shutdown the government for a few days. 79% think it would be bad to shut it down for a few weeks.

Bottom line, the people are not convinced that Obamacare is a good thing, however, shutting down the government is seen as an extreme response. The GOP appears to have an extremist problem at least as far as these poll responders are concerned, but the Democrats need to stop pretending Obamacare currently has widespread support. We'll see what happens to those numbers as people get more familiar and implementation continues. One reading of it anyway.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Of course people are against it, they've been bombarded with half-truths, and flat out lies for the last six years. Look at ADAK, for Christ sake. Most of the people I meet who are against it have no idea what it is or how it works, no less how it will affect them. Fear of the unknown is one of man's worst.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Griff

38% are in favor of Obamacare. 57% oppose it.

Of those that oppose it, quite a few do so because they don't feel it goes far enough!! Additionally, conservatives oppose "Obamacare" far more vehemently than they do the "Affordable Care Act".

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Of those that oppose it, quite a few do so because they don't feel it goes far enough!! Additionally, conservatives oppose "Obamacare" far more vehemently than they do the "Affordable Care Act".

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

I heard that in an audio file today, and I was quite shocked that the President of the United States, would make such an offensive remark as that, in a public speech. It's not like he doesn't have speech writers, and notes, etc.

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

[Lamplighter]

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

This from the 2/27/09 protest of the American Tea Party at the White House...



This from the 9/10/09 pre-March on Washington...



Jonathan Alter's book, The Promise: President Obama, Year One,
revealed that Obama used the term in November 2009.




Adak, please note the dates above...
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and calls itself a duck,
is it unusual for someone else to call it a duck ?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

Only because stupid fucking traitors was already taken by FOX.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Adak

Would that be BEFORE he called the Tea Party "Teabaggers" in a public speech, or AFTER?

I heard that in an audio file today, and I was quite shocked that the President of the United States, would make such an offensive remark as that, in a public speech. It's not like he doesn't have speech writers, and notes, etc.

If you can't stay civil, you don't belong in politics.

Do you feel it is hypocritical to hold the President to a higher standard than the rest of our political "leaders"? I mean, they're free to spew some of the most vile, hatred filled, violence inducing statements I've ever had the misfortune to experience, all while hiding behind Christianity, but the President is expected to not only accept such filth, but stay absolutely neutral and dispassionate??

Conservative Hostility Liberal Hostility

You'll note that I included both liberals and conservative examples in my links. Personally, I am appalled and disgusted that people have the disrespect to speak about our President (any President) the way they do. You may not like or agree with him, but he is still our leader and representative to the world. If you actually care, then vote. But show some fucking respect.

As for the government shut down, Congress needs to forfeit their paychecks while this occurs. They barely work as it is and they have a hell of a lot of nerve making people work for free or go without a paycheck while they sit on Capital Hill and drink. I hope the American people vote every single ignoramus who allowed this to happen out of office next year.

[Adak]

80,000 vets and friends have volunteered to come forward and shove those "Barrycades" up Obama's arse.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Have they also volunteered to provide security and clean up the mess the visitors leave behind? How about clean and stock the toilets?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Have they also volunteered to provide security and clean up the mess the visitors leave behind? How about clean and stock the toilets?

These are open-air memorial sites. There are no restrooms at these sites, because there ARE NO ROOMS, at all.

It's just being mean spirited.

I get it. It's more of the political game they play in Washington. What I don't get, and I never will, is why they play it with Honor Flight vets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_Flight

It's their last time (and sometimes their only time), for these vets of WWII and Korea, etc., to visit these memorials.

Erect barricades around them? Wow! That will win your party no friends, and no votes, I can assure you.

[Griff]

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...5&source=embed

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

These are open-air memorial sites. There are no restrooms at these sites, because there ARE NO ROOMS, at all.

Once again you have proven yourself to be ignorant of the facts, running around yelling the sky is falling because FOX said so, and generally full of shit.

By the way, the WW II Memorial... I'm a card carrying, Lifetime Charter Member. You know, one of the people that actually put up money to build those toilets.

[DanaC]

Well, clearly those things are more important than children being able to eat eh?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well, clearly those things are more important than children being able to eat eh?

You're not from around here are you?

[glatt]

I'd be curious to know the arrangement for Franklin Square park. It's really just a one block city park with meandering foot paths and an occasional dirt shortcut. But it's technically part of the National Park system, and it hasn't been barricaded. No bathrooms, but somebody has been emptying the trash cans. Maybe it's a private trash company and the account has been paid in advance for the next month or something.