I'm Moving to CANADA

[wolf]

Without access to any scholarly articles or analysis, I'm going with ideology failure.

What the Democrats and Left think the country wants was clearly not what the country wanted, this time.

This is particularly shown by the house and senate races, I think.

It's not just R this time. It's overwhelmingly R.

I think what needs to be examined more politically would be values, rather than issues alone.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by wolf

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Take a lesson from the name of the biggest 527 ... move on.

If you don't have time to deal with all of all of our "pointless frustration" why are you responding to so many threads about it? Shouldn't you be out wrangling nuts?

If Kerry would have won, would you have clammed up stated that it's time to "move on"? I doubt it--I suspect you be debating the election and the outcome just like everybody else is. It appears that you are enjoying gloating over the victory of "your guy," despite the fact that he didn't even carry your state.

Originally Posted by wolf

I'm trying very, very hard to imagine what my response would have been...

It would have been another day. I have nuts to wrangle, bills to pay, and other responsibilities to attend to.

I don't need to give energy to pointless frustration.

Well, then why are you? Go wrangle your nuts and whistle a merry tune. Your side won, isn't that enough for you? Now, you want the rest of us to be happy about it. That's asking a bit much, don't you think? Judging by the way you've hung around here gloating, I think you probably would have hung around being gloomy, as well, if your side had lost.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

This is a serious question: in light of the fact that the progressive movement staged a very effective get out the vote campaign, had access to massive amounts of money, by most accounts won the debates, did everything "right" in the election, why do you think they lost this election in such spectacular fashion? Is it a process failure (somehow didn't manage to communicate their issues) or an ideology failure (most people know their issues and disagree)?

I think it's simpler than that. The Democrats put Kerry up there. I voted for the guy, but not because I liked him. He is NOT inspiring. I can't speak for the swing voters, but I think if Bill Clinton's clone were able to run, Bush would have been pummled. It wasn't communication or ideology. It was personality.

[lumberjim]

so, they're not quite perfect. far from my biggest flaw, though.

[iamthewalrus109]

Simple fact is, Bill Clinton now holds no water. You look at 41's approval ratings in 1991 during the Iraq war, primo. But once war was over the recession was revealed in all of its crapiness. I don't Bill Clinton would have done much better in this environment. His constant polling and his verbal acrobatics would scare voters now. Clinton served his purpose for the time, a time of relative peace and quiet. Of course, while he was leading trouble was brewing. Sending cruise missles, meeting with Yasser Arafat, and pulling out of Somalia didn't help. Let's face it, Clinton, and any such clone would only work in the 90's period.

-Walrus

[Happy Monkey]

Republicans have become the masters of framing issues in misleading light. I bet a significant number of people voting for gay marriage bans thought that the courts were going to force churches to perform gay marriages. A disturbing number of Republicans think we found WMD in Iraq and Saddam was involved in 9-11. The Swift Boat Veterans were treated as a he-said-she-said, despite the fact that absolutely none of the physical or contemporary evidence, or prior statements by many members, supported their accusations. Everybody knows two or three "flip-flops" by Kerry, but massive Bush flip-flops went unmentioned.

Democrats just don't have the media machine, and hopefully they will find a way to be as effective without becoming as deceptive.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

so, they're not quite perfect. far from my biggest flaw, though.

Yikes, that's an unpleasant picture. They're yellow too--you're a smoker, no? Have you thought about just forgetting the whole thing and getting dentures?

[lumberjim]

you're just bitter because i like to take pot shots at your tired ass.

you'd bang me.

trollop

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

you'd bang me.

Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15. Seriously, nobody cares what your teeth look like, and nobody is interested in your crass, immature comments. It's totally pathetic, and you're making a huge fool of yourself.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by garnet

It's totally pathetic, and you're making a huge fool of yourself.

He's way past that point. We all are, or were, or will be doing such.

It is inebitabull...

[vsp]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

you'd bang me.

With your strap-on or hers?

[Kitsune]

Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15.

That is an awfully purty, scruff-free, baby-smooth chin up there...

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by vsp

With your strap-on or hers?

precisely.



and garnet, not only are you ugly, stupid and butch, but you have zero sense of humor as well.

retard

[Trilby]

I'd rather talk about strap-ons and fur-lined handcuffs than Who Voted For Who(m?)

I really would. Let's turn this thread into a raving, slavering, hot sex board!

LJ--you go first since you're the nastiest. (you know, "nasty" in a good way)