The best and worst of 2004

[tw]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Since when was Diego Garcia secret?

You just want to misquote? Sounds like a double standard. Diego Garcia is not secret. What is in and occurs at that Diego Garcia base is secret. The exact statement was "Diego Garcia is a rather secret American base." My would you misquote if you did not want to argue?

[OnyxCougar]

sorry.

[Clodfobble]

Obviously not. They whine that it's not big and fat enough.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Obviously not. They whine that it's not big and fat enough.

They sound just like a lot of americans eh?

[Kitsune]

"Fuck you America! Where's my check?"

Try, "Fuck you, America! Your economy is worth 10 trillion, you spend billions each year to wage war to kill hundreds of thousands of people, but when millions of lives are in danger you spend only a fraction of that."

As a country we are, and always have been, much more interested in destroying than preserving. And that goes for more than humanity.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Try, "Fuck you, America! Your economy is worth 10 trillion, you spend billions each year to wage war to kill hundreds of thousands of people, but when millions of lives are in danger you spend only a fraction of that."

As a country we are, and always have been, much more interested in destroying than preserving. And that goes for more than humanity.

To be fair though, it's not like we have to give anyone anything.

[Kitsune]

To be fair though, it's not like we have to give anyone anything.

You are correct, we do not have to give anyone anything. We don't have to go out of our way to save anyone but ourselves. But we do it and we do it often. And we spend more to wage war to do it than we could without the loss of life. The problem is that we're constantly taking away in the name of giving and when we puff up our chest and declare ourselves the police of the world, the world expects us to step in when others are in trouble. The problem here is that with all of the resources at our disposal, we seem much more intent on spending more money to kill than to save.

[lookout123]

ok, let's start from scratch here. bush is evil, incompetent, and maybe incontinant as well. tw is the presidential advisor.

What would have been an appropriate response to the Tsunami's? Run it by the numbers. what do you do in the 1st hour? 1st day? 2nd day? etc. i want details, not "i would do more..." what dollar amount would be satisfactory? do we send in our military?

oh and keep in mind that we can't actually dispurse any funds until the foreign power officially requests assistance through the embassies.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Uh, hand me the red flag. Now stand back.
TW, we have to wait for aid requests. We just can't barge into soverign nations.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

TW, we have to wait for aid requests. We just can't barge into soverign nations.

Now tell me how so many organizations from the Red Cross, Unicef, and other nations are currently providing aid - if no one has been invited?

Not only is India providing aid to its own people. India is also providing aid to Sri Lanka.

Its been 5 days. If dispatched a day after the disaster, the USS Kitty Hawk and its task force would already be there. Where are they? C5A and C17s would be landing for at least the second time with badly needed food, medicines, etc. This need not even come from the US government. The NGOs need that transportation desperately. Five days later we finally realize that something like 5 million people (including many of our own people) are in desperate need of help. Why? Because the international community shamed George Jr into paying attention to what has happened. Again look at the satellite photographs that George Jr has access to last Sunday. Then you tell me why he did not realize the scope of this disaster:
Asia's Deadly Waves . Click on the first row "Photos: Impact" . Click on the second row "Before and After".

[lookout123]

Now tell me how so many organizations from the Red Cross, Unicef, and other nations are currently providing aid - if no one has been invited?

notice how none of those are US gov't organizations? If US military planes just started landing uninvited on foreign soil with supplies, wouldn't you be among the first complaining about US intrusion upon foreign soil?

Not only is India providing aid to its own people. India is also providing aid to Sri Lanka.

and that has what to do with the price of beans in china?

the USS Kitty Hawk and its task force would already be there. Where are they?

that's right they were just sitting there, doing nothing, waiting for a disaster relief mission. it's not like they were involved with any other areas of the world.

C5A and C17s would be landing for at least the second time with badly needed food, medicines, etc.

again, not without a formal request through the embassies which didn't occur until yesterday i believe.

Five days later we finally realize that something like 5 million people (including many of our own people) are in desperate need of help. Why?

you're right, noone was paying attention at all. or perhaps they were analyzing the situation and how best to provide real relief, rather than just start throwing everything at it and hoping that what was needed was somewhere in the mix.

do you realize that parts of thailand (phuket, patong) that we are seeing in news clips had people sitting on the beach sucking down margaritas the very next morning? if we had just immediately put planes in the air, they might not have taken supplies to the most appropriate locations.

GWB screws up enough that there is plenty to pick on, but to turn every stinking event in the world into a bush bash is just downright pathetic. what happened to you tw? did someone with a shiny new MBA kick sand in your face or steal your girlfriend once? why the blind hatred?

[wolf]

Is the $350 million that the US is now sending enough, TW?

[tw]

Originally Posted by wolf

Is the $350 million that the US is now sending enough, TW?

Wolf - even $350 million completely misses the point. Does curing a symtpom therefore cure the disease?

A mental midget president demonstrates cheap and pathetic leadership when America is lead by Christian extremists. Leader is a misnomer since this president could only follow after properly mocked and condemned by the world. People are dying for 5 days before the mental midget president could even consider any real aid program. George Jr more than anyone else should have known the scope of this disaster - if he read his PDBs. Even Indonesia did not know for days how bad things really were. Again, you saw those satellite photographs. Photos said this is big and bad. The president, at minimum, could have called Indonesia to help them learn how bad things were. This president could not even bother considering aid. Presidential travel costs more than the $15 million that George Jr pledged. That is aid for 150,000 dead and 5 million hungry and homeless? Yes if you are a moral Christian extremist. After all, they are only Buddists and Muslims. Give me a better reason for this Christian extremist's pathetic response.

A reporter from the Christian Science Monitor says everything is wiped out for up to 3 kilometers inland. Nurdin Muhammed and two fellow construction workers walked 100 miles from their construction project in Calang (a larger town of 400 where only about 20 survived) to get home. They saw no living people for 100 miles and just dead bodies everywhere. They could smell the dead bodies whereever they slept. From today's Washington Post If anyone survived, they died long before George Jr ever decided maybe to provide aid. $350 million tells us nothing useful. This is about the mental midget president and his actions as a leader. To ask if $350 million is enough is to insult the integrity of mankind. That $350 million only says the entire world first had to mock and insult both America and this righteous president. The US is so uncaring as to only offer a paltry $350million after international condemnation. We give many time more to Israel - a developed nation - every year. We spend that raindrop in less than 1 week in Iraq. But the Tsunami region is not on George Jr's list of countries to be saved - the axis of evil?

We are talkiing about 'moral' leaders - the type of Christian extremists that Lookout123 represents. Now a mental midget leader is angry that the world would criticize him? He should be publically apologizing for his pathetic response. Instead he is so righteous as to be angry. Classic religious extremist response.

So where is Jeb Bush? Lets see. We must learn more before sending aid? We will send Colin Powell and Jeb Bush. But lets not undermine Jeb's New Year's party. Jeb will not leave for many days. No hurry. Be happy. The US will send the 'expert' Jeb Bush to see what is needed. Those dying people must survive for another week.

The queston is this. How 'moral' are American Christian extremists? Not the $350 million paid in response to international black mail. Notice how even Lookout123 would first criticize the Arab world response before admitting the 'morality' of this president. Christian extremists must be publically vilified before they will even admit a disaster has occured? Oh. Those dead are Buddists and Muslims. Clearly they had no value. Is this erroneous logic? It does explain the George Jr response and Lookout123's defense of the mental midget.

[Undertoad]

Did they mention the C130s with stuff, tw?

[russotto]

Where's my peanut, tw?